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|2011-03-08 03:44 PM|
To add to 99semaj's post, here is more information on Adobe's new "Wallaby" initiative...
|2011-03-08 03:30 PM|
Hugh, it is in the norm in the context that I've been posting about (car manufacturers, audio manufacturers, even the largest social network -- Facebook -- all its apps -- the things that bring them revenue -- are flash based)
Also if you go to various news sites outside North America - such in Japan, Singapore, malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, too many of them are unfortunately flash heavy. (nothing more stupid than a flash-based news sites... all they need are text and pics anyway)
|2011-03-08 03:25 PM|
David, flash is not ubiquitous so I don't know how you can call it the norm and contrary to your earlier assertion, its not growing.
|2011-03-08 03:21 PM|
|David Susilo||It will still take at least another year or two before this flash thing become an exception instead of the norm. Mark my word.|
|2011-03-08 03:19 PM|
This debate is still an issue, but not for long. Hugh eluded to it in his post: The growth of iOS based devices is all the leverage Apple (Jobs) needs to force Web developers to adopt different standards (HTML 5).
I remember reading somewhere that over the last 12-15 months, the percentage of online video available through HTML 5 had jumped from 25% to about 65 to 70%.
This was during the iPad's infancy. This trend is only likely to accelerate and extend to other types of content such as animated websites.
I used to be choked at the lack of Flash support on iOS devices. It's rarely an issue anymore and when it is, I always have access to a computer to get around the problem. I have to agree with Jobs about the total resource hog that Flash is. My kids MacBooks double as space heaters because the Flash website they play games on. If they're not plugged in, battery is dead within 45 minutes. Flash does crash a lot on my Macs, even my recently purchased and loaded MacBook Pro running Snow Leopard and all the current software updates.
|2011-03-08 03:11 PM|
at the same time 150 million unit is nothing compared to 1 billion plus users that can use flash. Regardless, I'm longing for the days of the old low-bandwidth websites. I'm tired of things flying around on my web screen as much as I'm tired of 3D movies throwing things at me.
I honestly feel that people don't have good enough content and use flash in the attempt to hide those deficiencies.
|2011-03-08 01:20 PM|
Originally Posted by hugh View Post
|2011-03-08 12:06 PM|
GrimJack, that makes a lot of sense. I forget how long "legacy" code and "legacy" coders can last!
Interesting, I was just looking at some sales numbers and predictions. If Apple sells 40 or 50 million iPads in 2011 and 30 million iPhones then the install base of iPad and iPhone will be close to 150 million by the end of this year.
That's a number that Car Manufacturers and owners of other Flash sites can't ignore.
|2011-03-08 11:21 AM|
Originally Posted by hugh View Post
|2011-03-08 10:53 AM|
There's a lot of people who are only comfortable producing content through tools. You could ask why people pay for Dreamweaver when they could just edit HTML by hand. It's very difficult to convince most people to learn new technologies, this way Adobe lock in their flash user base while keeping their skills relevant/marketable.
As well there is a large base of Flash code that people want to continue to use but don't want to pay someone to rewrite from scratch. They'll sell a lot of this to managers who only consider cost, even if it produces less efficient code.
I'm sure Adobe saw the writing on the wall a while ago, the iOS thing just accelerated how soon they were willing to pull the trigger on producing new tools vs preserving their flash cash cow.
|2011-03-08 10:48 AM|
why would Adobe do this?
As a developer, if your going to convert your site to HTML 5 for some users, then why not build it in HTML 5 to begin with?
|2011-03-08 10:31 AM|
Maybe it's a moot discussion now...Adobe has released their technology preview of a new tool that distills Flash into HTML5, giving websites an easy track back to iOS (and WP7 and Xoom for that matter). Apparently there's a couple of unsupported features, but the main functionality is there....
|2011-03-07 05:13 PM|
Too many sites won't allow you to even enter if you disable flash. The worst offenders are vw.ca and honda.ca also mcintosh audio.
|2011-03-07 05:02 PM|
If you want to block flash, use a flash blocker, and then it's like you clicked the "HTML" version all the time.
|2011-03-07 04:34 PM|
|David Susilo||agree! Sites should have the option for flash vs non-flash. When the option is there, I always choose non-flash or sometimes even low-bandwidth option (when available).|
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