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2018-04-08 11:20 PM
57
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Originally Posted by rob50312 View Post
So why cant Bell improve their picture quality ???
They could, but it would cost (a lot of) money and they'd (Fibe) have to change their infrastructure completely. Most people probably are "happy enough" with the 720P picture. There are lots of threads regarding Bell PQ...

As for Bell Sat, who currently supply the signals to Fibe, they're not going to pay the additional money for additional satellite space on a "dying business".

People who want better quality and have access to high speed, unlimited internet can go OTT (streaming) for some of their programming.

Edit: One more comment I'd like to make is that a good 720P signal can look very good on a properly optimized TV.
2018-04-08 07:30 PM
rob50312 So why cant Bell improve their picture quality ??? With gigabyte speeds available some channels look worse than even a good DVD.
2018-04-08 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by elyk View Post
...why would anyone need a 4K television?
In many cases in the larger sizes, that's all that's available now. "Need" of course is relative, perhaps more to do with advertizing and "want", than "need".

I can tell you though, that my 4K TV has superior picture quality to my 1080P plasma from 8-10 years ago. I wasn't expecting it to be significantly better, but it is. I have absolutely no macroblocking or stairstepping or halos after I properly optimized my TV. The writing on CP24, for example (which is 1080i input to my Rogers PVR), I can stand a foot away from my 75" screen and see no artifacts whatsoever. Rogers does send the signals through to my box without downcoverting.

When I was performing optimizations for 10 years, almost everyone who switched to Fibe from Rogers Ontario could see the poorer picture quality. However, many people were willing to put up with it for the "superior" IPG/features/interface, etc. Each provider has advantages and disadvantages.

Of course, with a 4K TV you can stream 4K which is fantastic, as well as tune into the select few 4K channels.
2018-04-08 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rob50312 View Post
A 5MPS feed from Netflix is far better then a Bell Fibe channel showing the same movie.Even some OTA channels are better then Bell fibe.
The compression type of the various streams varies, so it's not simply a matter of comparing bitrates. Of course OTA is better than Fibe, the bitrate is significantly higher and there's no conversion of the signal. You'll find though that some of the Netflix/YouTube material is higher than 5Mbps, with some 4K material approaching 100 Mbps.
2018-04-08 06:41 PM
elyk So if they can't even transmit proper 1080p to my 1080p television, why would anyone need a 4K television?

elyk
2018-04-08 06:09 PM
rob50312 So why is the source material sent out of less quality/bandwidth then Netflix.A 5MPS feed from Netflix is far better then a Bell Fibe channel showing the same movie.Even some OTA channels are better then Bell fibe.
2018-04-08 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by elyk View Post
What happened to 1080p?
1080i is very easily deinterlaced to 1080P for 1080P TVs, or 4K for 4K TVs.

1080P requires a lot more bandwidth than 1080i (for OTA and "broadcast"), for very little improvement in PQ. Yes, BDs and 1080P from OTT has better PQ, but often because there's more bandwidth in the material "broadcast/sent to the TV".

Now, when Bell takes 1080i and downconverts it to 720P, then the user has the box set at something other than 720P, then the TV may upconvert again, that's not good.
2018-04-08 05:22 PM
rob50312
Bell Fibe

Yes I agree Bell Fibe has poor picture quality compared to a Blue-Ray or Netflix.They need to step up to compete.I wish they had just stepped up all channels 1080p instead of just offering a sports feed in 4K.Is it time to drop SD duplication ?? The STB can handle conversion down for an analog TV.
2018-04-08 04:25 PM
elyk This thread is consistent with my feeling that the hardware is light years ahead of the available source material.

When 4K television came out, I remember scratching my head that the source material that I watched still hadn't caught up to 1080p hardware. Everything was transmitted as 720p, except for a few on-demand 1080p movies, and even some of those were suspect.

I could go into Best Buy and watch 4K in all its glory, fed by a proper 4K loop, and sure, it's fantastic. But that not the reality. The reality is poor consumers with nice 4K TV's watching 720p compressed sources, at best.

What happened to 1080p? Why were the sources never upgraded to offer everything we watch in 1080p, so we could take advantage of our nice 1080p TV's? It never happened.

I can load a 1080p Blu-Ray disc into my player at home and it produces jaw dropping clarity on my 1080p television. A lot better than any compressed 720p source fed to a new 4K television.

All this new 4K hardware is basically a money maker for manufacturers. It does little to nothing for the consumer in my opinion.

elyk
2018-04-08 03:57 PM
57 Yeah, but if the original material is SD, you could be watching it on a 4K channel and there would still be issues. Garbage in, garbage out.

Not everything on HD channels is HD to begin with, so any SD material is just upconverted. Not only that, but Fibe sends all the channels (that are not OD or 4K) as 720P to your box.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/30-5...v-formats.html
2018-04-08 03:54 PM
jphccfc
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Originally Posted by 57 View Post
@jphccfc : You may wish to try turning the sharpness setting on your TV down somewhat (or a lot) and it may help with the halos, stair-stepping, macroblocking, etc.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/30-5...-new-hdtv.html

Is the original programming available in HD? Many of the programmes we get from Europe are SD (576i) or similar... I've seen a lot of this on (the little) soccer (I've seen) or other TV from Europe that's not HD to begin with... Other people would have more insight than I, since I don't watch soccer myself.
I was actually watching it on the HD channel
2018-04-08 03:48 PM
57 @jphccfc : You may wish to try turning the sharpness setting on your TV down somewhat (or a lot) and it may help with the halos, stair-stepping, macroblocking, etc.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/30-5...-new-hdtv.html

Is the original programming available in HD? Many of the programmes we get from Europe are SD (576i) or similar... I've seen a lot of this on (the little) soccer (I've seen) or other TV from Europe that's not HD to begin with... Other people would have more insight than I, since I don't watch soccer myself.
2018-04-08 10:20 AM
jphccfc Images of the poor pixelation
2018-04-08 09:24 AM
jphccfc
TSN HD soccer feed this weekend terrible quality 4k fibe TV....is it a 480p fee

I'm watching the Arsenal soccer match this morning and the feed quality is awful and pixelated.....probably more like a 480p feed. Can someone check to see if they are having the same issues.
2017-03-05 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by S and P View Post
...I am just looking for clarification so that I can make a more informed choice as to whether I should switch from cable to Fibe.
Your 1080P TV will also "upconvert" a 480i signal to 1080P, but I don't see how this matters in deciding between Cable & Fibe, especially after you read my post and quoted it in your post. A 4K TV will upconvert any incoming signal to 4K, but again, this doesn't really matter a hoot when comparing providers.

Typically there are other factors that should go into the decision on which provider - like whether you like the equipment, whether you get the bundle you want (most people have more than just TV service), whether you get the channels you want, at which price, etc.
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