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# of Active Apple Apps

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A report regarding the Apple Apps shows that of the 700,000 apps, I believe around 450,000 have never been downloaded, ever
I call BS. Prove it.
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^^^^^^

I usually get this type of response.

"Out of 650,000 apps.......400,000 apps in the App Store have never been downloaded says report"

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407875,00.asp
http://www.phonearena.com/news/40000...report_id32943
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-...Report-843509/





You can also easily google this info, What was that you were saying about BS?

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I'm excited for this new bb devise.. Although not for me it excites me that they are finally getting an all touch device..

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You can also easily google this info, What was that you were saying about BS?
Thank-you for the links; it is common practice here that we include inline citations. I did, in fact, Google it before posting and found only contrary studies. For example, the first hit I got was this one (emphasis mine):

This quote is attributed to Apple itself in September, perhaps a repsonse to the claims made in the links you provided.
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^^^

I'm always skeptical of any BS manufacturers claims, including Apples.

Independent studies as shown in the links, and why this is the case prove this.
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Looking more deeply at the methodology used, I'd say the independent study is shaky at best.

I have no doubt there may tens of thousands of dead apps, but I think this vendor was just trying to grab some headlines. (shocking!)
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looking at the quality of the apps, after you go past the first 100-150 in each category, I can easily believe that most are never downloaded


realistically, anything less than 100 downloads is basically a dead app

I wonder what percentage fall into that category? (and I"m sure the numbers would be almost identical for any platform)
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Looking more deeply at the methodology used, I'd say the independent study is shaky at best.
And massively backtracked on what the CEO originally said. The so-called "never downloaded" 400,000 apps were in fact "...getting zero to ten downloads a day, depending on the country."
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Without uninstallation stats the number of downloads is pretty irrelevant.
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More interesting (to me) would be the number of applications actually used after the first day they were installed.

My pattern with mobile apps goes something like this:

I download a lot of apps to see what I like, especially after I get a new device. In the case of Android I buy a lot of apps when they go on sale.

But only regularly use about a dozen apps. That includes stuff like a browser, mail, and instant messaging. I've downloaded a lot of apps. I used to even download apps that were "website replacements" or a website front-end. But then I realized that every day my phone was automatically updating 20 apps a day (on average). And none of these apps were actually in use. In the case of iOS, my OCD was causing me to have to download whatever updates the app store had for me in the little red dot.

Since then I've started uninstalling apps if I haven't used it in a month after the first installation.

Right now I'm going through the "collect all sorts of apps" phase with metro apps on Windows 8.

Ultimately, I wish apps worked more like websites (with the performance of native code). You go to use them, and then you automatically download the bits that you need and those bits get "cached" on local storage. If you don't a app for a while, it gets cleaned out of your cache. And if you go to use the app and there are updates, those get downloaded on demand. I think this is a model that would work better for "normal people". But I guess that is for operating systems of the future to implement.
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Ultimately, I wish apps worked more like websites (with the performance of native code). You go to use them, and then you automatically download the bits that you need and those bits get "cached" on local storage. If you don't a app for a while, it gets cleaned out of your cache. And if you go to use the app and there are updates, those get downloaded on demand. I think this is a model that would work better for "normal people".
You're assuming that a) there's always an Internet connection available b) re-downloading the app and downloading and applying updates is a relatively quick process and c) the OS is smart enough not to touch settings and documents associated with the cleaned out app.

I'd rather make the decision what to delete and not leave it up to the OS.
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I believe around 450,000 have never been downloaded, ever

At a very minimum, every developer likely has some friends who have downloaded their app. For that reason alone, its clear the person saying that is a gullible fool.
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b) re-downloading the app and downloading and applying updates is a relatively quick process and c) the OS is smart enough not to touch settings and documents associated with the cleaned out app.
Web browsers do this successfully, and have done so for years. From a software architecture standpoint, these are not difficult hurdles to overcome.

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I'd rather make the decision what to delete and not leave it up to the OS.
This goes against the trend in computing. Android and iOS are even downplaying the concept of a local file system. The fact is, because most users aren't very knowledgeable, a OS can easily do a better on on keeping what should be kept (and discarding the rest) than a user can.
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