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^^^

Also in that article, they noted that Windows Mobile will sharply decline to less than 4% I in the same time frame. I agree with the article on both counts.
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Actually that's Windows Phone, which is currently at 0% since they're not selling it yet. Windows Mobile isn't listed there as far as I can see.

Despite attempts to lump them into the same OS, Windows Phone and Windows Mobile are VERY different. It isn't just a new version, it's a new OS. That's not to say I disagree that it won't succeed, I just think reports of it's demise are premature to say the least.
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Actually, in the article, "Windows Phone" is referring to Windows Mobile as well. When Windows Mobile 6.5 was announced over a year ago, Microsoft indicated it was changing the name to "Windows Phone" as well.

If "Windows Phone" currently had a marketshare of 0%, then the table in the article wouldn't have had any numbers for 2009 for this platform.
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You're right, don't know how I missed that. That seems very silly given that they're different mobile OS with different target markets (WinMo targeted corporate users like RIM while WP7 targets personal users like Apple). While those markets will bleed into each other, they're still different.

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Communication service providers' (CSPs') marketing and vendor support for Android-based smartphones will drive the platform to become the second-largest platform, following Symbian, by year-end 2010 (see Table 1). This is almost two years earlier than Gartner predicted a year ago.
Basically they're saying "here's our predictions for the next three years, note how wrong our predictions from last year were".
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That's not to say I disagree that it won't succeed, I just think reports of it's demise are premature to say the least.
I guess it's hard to lose market share, when you're already at zero. ;-)
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My girlfriend and I have both Android and an Iphone. She uses the Iphone and I use the Android. Guess what she recommends when people ask about the iphone? Android! Yep, she would trade the Iphone for an Android as the the OS just progresses so much faster with superior day to day useful apps.

Take Google voice search for example. Works way better and does much more than the iphone voice command.
http://www.google.com/mobile/voice-actions/
Multiple custom homescreen setups for how YOU want them. How about Flash? And for those more adventurous, root your phone and put on various flavors of Android yourself.

Running HTC Hero on Android 2.2

TBD yet again :)
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One more "me and my girlfriend like Android better" testimonial, and my theory that Android will not take over the world will crumble under the overwhelming burden of raw evidence.
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Haha, there's no raw evidence in this thread, just speculation, and that's what makes it a fun topic upon which to opine. Kinda like guessing who's going to make it to the Stanley Cup in 2014....

My projections:
  • RIM will shrink in marketshare, by ceding corporate share to competitors and by failing to capture the hearts of consumers in a meaningful way.
  • Apple will lose its halo and be a top-three contender, but not a dominator by any means.
  • Microsoft will withdraw from the mobile OS market within three years, but will be clearly be out of the game by this time next year.
  • Android will fluorish, but perhaps won't be a runaway leader. Like Apple, they will be a top-three contender.
  • WebOS will not succeed unless HP promotes it aggressively to handset makers, not just contract manufacturers.
  • Symbian is a big question for me; I don't know where to position them.
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One more "me and my girlfriend like Android better" testimonial, and my theory that Android will not take over the world will crumble under the overwhelming burden of raw evidence.
Geezzz Arthur you need to get over this. You need to accept that some of us bought an iPhone, used an iPhone, liked an iPhone a whole lot, said that it's a great phone, and then found a different phone we like even more, think is even better, and switched.

Notice that most of us (myself at least) have never said that the iPhone is bad. Actually the contrary.

Get over it - stop getting all defensive over anything that isn't iPhone worshipping.
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Get over it - stop getting all defensive over anything that isn't iPhone worshipping.
I'm sorry if I come across as an iPhone (or any other type of) worshipper. I'm just a Linux hater, who is sticking to his persuasions in the new mobile OS battlefield. Yeah, I know we are doomed, I've been hearing it every day for over a decade and a half now, I'm just a stubborn old fool.
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One more "me and my girlfriend like Android better" testimonial, and my theory that Android will not take over the world will crumble under the overwhelming burden of raw evidence."

See for my statement I omitted that we got our phones the same day, same store same plan. Her phone has gone off for repair for random reboots and had TERRIBLE battery life, mine on the other hand has been rock solid from the same day she got hers. My point was simply that even thou she has an Iphone she recommends getting a different product due to her personal experience with the iphone. Is this everyone? No, but they are also not few and far between.

For myself and her we want a product that works unrestricted on the web, is totally customizable, can swap batteries when and if required and has full spectrum integrated google app integration. Apple simply can not and will not deliver that experience.

I do feel that android will take a bigger chunk of the market month to month for some time! When you have the BIG players like Sony, acer, Motorola throwing their support behind this OS on variying devices its inevitable it will come out ahead of where it started. Kinda reminds me of the old locked down Mac OS vs Microsoft open hardware ablities for computers, how did that play out again?

Sony's new playstation phone WILL sell alot of units and open up the younger generations eyes to the potential of Android as well.

As 99semaj pointed out there is no RAW evidence in this thread as well we don't know the future. But we do know that people also said google search will never be a popular search option, same can be said for google chrome. So isn't it possible that Android could be the "next thing" to take off in a huge way?

TBD yet again :)
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One of you needs a nap. Yes you Arther. To get all over a poster whose only "crime" was to pass on data that most of the other readers/posters here might find interesting and help explain what the basis is for this topic is just a little over the top. I, for one, find your approach and responses disgusting. sailmaker

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I'm sorry if I come across as an iPhone (or any other type of) worshipper. I'm just a Linux hater, who is sticking to his persuasions in the new mobile OS battlefield. Yeah, I know we are doomed, I've been hearing it every day for over a decade and a half now, I'm just a stubborn old fool.
OK, well at least you're acknowledging that you're the only one who's being a "hater".

Maybe we should move over to the Linux forum and we'll have a pleasent converstation on where that's going. Not far in the home market but in the server space I'm constantly seeing jumps off of mostly AIX to OEL and RHEL. But let's save the rest of that conversation for the appropriate forum and get back to the Android topic here
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See for my statement I omitted that we got our phones the same day, same store same plan. Her phone has gone off for repair for random reboots and had TERRIBLE battery life, mine on the other hand has been rock solid from the same day she got hers. My point was simply that even thou she has an Iphone she recommends getting a different product due to her personal experience with the iphone. Is this everyone? No, but they are also not few and far between.
Then bringing this up in the discussion about the future of Android is even less relevant. I was saying that one's personal preference, or any anecdotal evidence, for that matter, is pointless in this particular discussion. It turns out it's not even that, it's just a defective phone, and I don't know how it's applicable to the potential market share of Android. Unless (I will repeat myself here) there hasn't been a defective HTC, Motorola, Samsung or LG phone yet. If the latter were true, and the reason for that were the "Android magic", then, yes, your girlfriend's phone trouble is very relevant to the discussion.

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For myself and her we want a product that works unrestricted on the web, is totally customizable, can swap batteries when and if required and has full spectrum integrated google app integration. Apple simply can not and will not deliver that experience.
That's good for you, but statistics do not indicate the rest of the world is dying for (or even heard of) Google apps. Again, anecdotal evidence vs. real world data. Steve Jobs built an empire over the dead bodies of the competition's executives who 3 years ago said the iPhone will fail because it doesn't have an SD slot, replaceable battery, physical keyboard and a zillion other things their own products were (and are) proud of.

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I do feel that android will take a bigger chunk of the market month to month for some time!
That I might agree with. Not much more, though. The reasons were listed in the original article for this thread. I will add the "Linux" curse, as well as the shaping up inability of Google to grow into something more than the one-trick pony that it currently is - a search engine that sells ads. Extremely good at that job, but the concept is starting to wear out. I would recommend an article in the last Wired magazine. It says that Google was brilliant enough to make people believe in its vision of an unrestricted, free and equal for all world wide web - as long as it is 100% controlled by Google. When the other megalomaniacs realized that Google has a death grip on the www, they decided to kill the Web. Or at least start pulling the rug from underneath it - Facebook and Apple were given as the most prominent examples of new empires outside of Google's reach. There are a lot of interesting thoughts in that "Wired" issue that are relevant to this discussion, that's why I would highly recommend it.
Now, back to my thoughts. Google, of course, realized, that the App store is pulling people away from Google ads infested web pages. The public seemed to like the more convenient mobile direct access to information (usually of higher quality too), so Android was their answer. For now a lot of hardware manufacturers seem to embrace the freebie software they are being thrown, mostly for lack of reasonable alternatives. But sooner or later the real Google total control agenda will rear its ugly head and interests will collide. I don't really know what Microsoft and Nokia will do next, but I kind of figured out how Google's creativity works - they will now push to expand into social networking and media distribution. And whatever Steve Jobs announces next.

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When you have the BIG players like Sony, acer, Motorola throwing their support behind this OS on variying devices its inevitable it will come out ahead of where it started. Kinda reminds me of the old locked down Mac OS vs Microsoft open hardware ablities for computers, how did that play out again?
Not really a correct parallel, Google doesn't make the hardware, it gives away Linux distro for mobile hardware. And, in the absence of alternatives for the manufacturers, many people think that the bright screen of their Galaxy is because of Android's goodness.

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As 99semaj pointed out there is no RAW evidence in this thread as well we don't know the future. But we do know that people also said google search will never be a popular search option, same can be said for google chrome. So isn't it possible that Android could be the "next thing" to take off in a huge way?
The "next thing" for Google hasn't materialized yet for the last 10 years, and it's not that they haven't tried. But everything's looking up for them, people like them too - hey, after all, Google themselves say they are "not evil", why should they be denied the right to know everything about everybody, while at the same time helping you buy cheap Viagra from your phone?
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