Rogue17; Bell has been calling me every month, and they are still 25-30$ more expensive than Videotron for identical services. As you pointed out earlier, this is because some channels are outside the 'à la carte' packaging and Bell cannot match Videotron's unlimited Canada-wide long distance rates; they only offer a Quebec rate. Except for hardware (PVR's), Videotron is giving Bell a run on pricing and services. Bell"s handicap is that 'new business development' and retentions are not on the same page; if you are not an existing customer and you request a 'retentions type offer'; they just politely end the conversation. They offer a 3-service, 136$ package, and retentions offers the same one for 90$ to my next door neighbours, yet new customers cannot get this price...oh well, la vie est belle sans Bell!