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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 2008-02-16, 03:35 AM Thread Starter
 
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Question 24" LCD to suit my pro computing needs?

Hello,

I am finally moving away from my 4yr old PC into a modern rig. I have enjoyed my NEC 22" CRT but now I would like to move into the LCD realm. Two days ago I would have bought the first screen at "looked" good, but after doing research and understanding LCD monitor specs I am really lost. Here is what will power my new rig:
  • MSI P35 Platinum ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 2 PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 2PCI SATA2 Audio GBLAN 1394 Motherboard
  • Transcend Axeram 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-1066+ CL5 240PIN DIMM Memory Kit
  • LG 16X Black DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE UDMA33 INT OEM
  • LG GSA-H55L DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL 10X Lightscribe DVD Writer IDE 2MB Black OEM W/ SW
  • Coolermaster CAC-T05 Centurion 5 Aluminum ATX Tower Case 5X5.25 1X3.5 4X3.5INT SILVER-BLACK No PS
  • ASUS GeForce 8800GTS Top 740MHZ 512MB 2.07GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out Retail Video Card
  • Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition 32BIT DVD OEM
  • Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 3.5IN 500GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 32MB Cache NCQ Hard Drive
  • OCZ GameXStream 700W ATX12V 24PIN SLI Ready Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black
  • Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail
Now first let me tell you what I do and what i'll need from any potential LCD monitor. For work I manly do software design with a touch of graphic design. So color quality is important to me. On that note my research tells me a 6bit panel will not do, so lets focus on an 8bit panel. Secondly I will be gaming with a touch of video, so response times are also important to me. Yes I know TN panels are fastest but I really need the 8bit for work. I really don't care about s-video, hdmi, or other inputs ... if I want to buy a PS3 or Blue Ray player I'll but an HDTV. So here are some models I have been scoping:

Dell UltraSharp 2407
I have heard good and bad about this one. Mainly some users/models suffering from display lag of some sort. It is an S-PVA, but I'm not sure if that means 6 or 8 bit. This models is within my budget, but the complaint about display lag concerns me. I heard the 2408 is coming out soon but will the panel be better or worse, all I know is it will have more inputs.

Samsung 245T
Also a S-PVA panel. This screen some users complain about uneven backlighting which can ruin watching movies and gaming. There was also a few mentions of display lag. I'm also concerned about this model as a potential choice.

BenQ FP241WZ & BenQ FP241W
I'm not really sure about the specifics of this monitor other than one is P-MVA and the other A-MVA. I always thought BenQ what an entry level "budget" brand. And as such wouldn't have considered these, but some reviews on here suggest it may be worth looking at. Hoping some users my offer some thoughts on both quality of screen and build.

Acer p243Waid
I almost bought this one until I learned it was a TN. I don't think I'll put much thought into it further.

I have reviewed many other models and makes, some aren't appropriate, others outside my budget. I will spend up to $700 USD on my screen.

So it seems every monitor has both it's good and bad, and this has left me more confused than ever ... almost to the point where I was going to scrap the whole idea of moving to a new PC. I need this to last me a long time, and as such need to make the right decision from the start. I don't want a screen that looks great but fails in performance when gaming or working. And I really don't want a screen that suffers from this display lag or what have you.

I am also very concerned about viewing angles, very concerned. This screen will set on my desk about 3 feet from me. I need the color and brightness to be consistent at all areas of the screen. When I visit retailers and stand in front of any given screen and move just a few inches to the right of left, or up or down, the whites become yellow, or the screen darkens when I move up or down. That said I won't be doing much moving while sitting in my chair and I would like a screen that suffers these the least.

Basically I need this:
  • 8bit panel for best color reproduction
  • Low response times, I would say 6ms max
  • At least 1000:1 contrast
  • Even color across screen when sitting in front of it at 2 feet
  • NO DISPLAY LAG
  • Between $400 - $800 USD
  • Adjustable height
Would be nice:
  • Other controls like swivel and tilt
  • More inputs
  • 1:1 pixel mapping in case I ever want to use the HDMI
Does anything like this even exist? I can tell you I am really loosing sleep over this. I would consider myself an enthusiast and will pay the price within reason for a great panel. I have also considered buying the PC and using my CRT until better LCD's come out BUT my video card will only have DVI outputs and from what i'm told you cannot convert DVI back to VGA, only the other way around. I would greatly value any opinions or thoughts based on actually usage of any of the above models mentioned. Thank you so much.

Robert
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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 2008-02-16, 05:34 AM
 
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Gee no personal experience with 24" monitors but your video card should come with a DVI to VGA adapter so your old CRT should be fine for now.
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post #3 of 7 (permalink) Old 2008-02-16, 10:47 AM
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You can even get 3rd party DVI-I or DVI-D to VGA convertors.

For a modern Vista machine, you'd want an HDCP compliant display.
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post #4 of 7 (permalink) Old 2008-02-16, 12:14 PM
 
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RE: the Dell 2407.

I have heard and read many great reviews on this monitor, but I thought I read recently that the 2408 might use S-IPS technology instead.

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post #5 of 7 (permalink) Old 2008-02-18, 10:31 PM
 
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I'm running a Samsung 244T (which is replaced by the 245T, you mentioned) and have had excellent results with it...and have no problems watching Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies on it with Cyberlink PowerDVD, a XFX8800GTS video card and a LG H20L DVD drive...

You could probably get a good price on it from NCIX, Direct Canada or Canada Computers...

b.

note: I'm running with an E6700 processor...
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Dell 2407WFP all the way man.

We have several of these running off of Dual Matrox cards at work and they look so beautiful.

Excellent text and image quality. Very sharp and bright panel. I would love to have one of these displays myself. I had to turn down the brightness because it's so bright from the factory. You must run it at it's native 1920x1200 @ 60hz via DVI for optimal results. However via VGA at the same resolution still yields good results.

Just my 0.02 cents.

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RE: the Dell 2407.

I have heard and read many great reviews on this monitor, but I thought I read recently that the 2408 might use S-IPS technology instead.
Here is a site where you can enter the LCD model (ie. 2408WFP) to check the manufacturer and type of panel it uses: http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php

I entered 2408WFP and it says: Dell 2408WFP (widescreen) has a 24 inch 6 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung) panel

Personally I have been satisfied with Dell Widescreens (2405WFP and 2707WFP). The new 2408s (as well as 2707 and 3008) have panels with wide gamut color capability that approximates that of the a good Trinitron CRT monitor. On my old 2405WFP I used to adjust the "vibrance" slider of the nVidia driver to 20 - 30% to make the colors pop. On the 2707WFP this is unnecessary.
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