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When starting with the ASUS 2013 'home entertainment boards", for the ones on an Intel platform, in mATX form-factor, they dont show the H87...but do have B75.AMD
But looking futher into H87...Some quick googling suggests these are similar, differing only is some port combinations. Other references say they are different in the H87 support Intel Smart Response Technology (SRT) (pre-launch name SSD Caching) and explain this as meaning you can use a small SSD to give a standard platter drive very fast performance. It caches commonly accessed files to the SSD for quick boot and load times.",,, which suggests its not all that relevant if SSD is teh only drive (the boot drive) in the system. Yet another reference states "If you have no intention of overclocking, don`t need multiple graphics cards and only a few sata 6gb/s ports, there is nothing wrong with the H81/B85 chipsets at all. They would do very well for future upgrades as well. It all depends on the maker of the motherboard. Asus is my personal favorite.".
HOWEVER looking further into H87, I assume the more important distinction is the H87 is Intel® Socket 1150 for 4th Generation Core Processors where the B75-A is Intel® Socket 1155 for 3rd/2nd Generation Core Processors. So I gather H87 is the safer choice?
The H87 is available as mATX in three models : H87M-E(uATX), H87M-PLUS(uATX), H87M-PR0(uaTX).Of these H87M-PRO is the more fully featured. Other models are not mATX : H87I-PLUS(miniITX),H87-PLUS(ATX), H87-PRO(ATX)
Ironcally no info on what GPU their intergrated graphics are based on.
When starting with the ASUS 2013 'home entertainment boards., for the ones on an AMD platform, in mATX form-factor, there is:So short list on ASUS boards is:
A55M-A/USB3 (AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2 chipset) ;
A85XM-A (AMD A85X FCH(Hudson D4 chipset)
Both are based on Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 7000/8000 Series Graphics in A-series APU
But I gather the Haswell equivalent is actually FM2+ series ie A88 lineup.. will look there next.
B75M-A - third generation Intel ; based on ??? graphics
H87M-PR0 (or variations) - fourth generation Intel ; based on ??? graphics
A55M-A/USB3 - AMD AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2 chipset) ; based on HD 7000/8000 Series
A85XM-A - AMD A85X FCH (Hudson D4 chipset) ; based on HD 7000/8000 Series
AMD FM2 + series : "
- Asus A88XM-A based on AMD A88X chipset
- Asus A55BM-A/USB3 powered by A55 chipset
- both are:- micro-ATX motherboards
- with FM2+ sockets that
- support existing accelerated processing units (APUs) from AMD (Trinity, Richland) as well as future code-named Kaveri chips that were supposed to be released late in 2013, but will most likely hit the market only in 2014.
- support not only new power states of AMD’s upcoming APUs, but also PCI Express 3.0 as well as new mainboard design innovations"
Despite Haswell's arrival on the desktop, AMD is in no trouble at all from a graphics perspective. At the high end, Richland maintains a 17 - 50% GPU performance advantage (~30% on average) over Intel's HD 4600 (Haswell GT2). All things equal, even Trinity is good enough to maintain this performance advantage - a clear downside of Intel not bringing its Iris or Iris Pro graphics to any socketed desktop parts.Another comparison is here : http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...ell-gpu_7.html , which favours Intel on the surface..
"The Richland design has its downsides, though. Such APUs have high practical power consumption and heat dissipation. They need twice more power than the Intel Core i5 in a lot of applications, both 3D and multimedia ones. The 4000 series Core i3 is going to widen the gap even more. That’s why the A10, A8 and A6 series APUs may not be the optimal choice for small and quiet home computers or HTPCs, especially as the Richland’s multimedia engine looks outdated in comparison with the Haswell’s. It cannot cope with 4K content and has rather low performance in video transcoding tasks.Then again, the user comments imply the opposite ! :
Still, the Richland-based APUs are quite good at playing conventional Full-HD video in popular formats, which makes them suitable for inexpensive multimedia configurations as well."
So its quite hard for users like me to make informed decisions based on what is out there... which I why I truly do value the opinions here !
X-Bit Labs is notorious for posting inflammatory articles particularly directed at AMD. They do this to get their page hit count up which means increased ad revenues. This is a dirty little secret of web forums.
BTW, anyone with a clue knows that Richland's GPU section is far superior to Intel's Haswell and that AMD's Crossfire is superior to Nvidia. Well everyone except X-Bit Labs...
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