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post #61 of 361 (permalink) Old 2013-12-11, 04:20 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re file server ideas.. whats the story with storage devices like these ( Mediasonic/Hotbox PROBOX l

Seem like an interesting storage solution.. more capacity and potential redundancy than a single external USB drive, but not quite the complexity of NAS, and yet handles up to 4 HD drives (which none of my current pc's can)

From what I read to date, each drive is seen as a seperate letter.

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Normally referred to as DAS (Direct Attached Storage), different from Network (NAS).
Have not used, don't know. It looks like only the interface is different and no RAID options...

The biggest advantage of using Brix-like PCs, is attaching them to the back of the TV,
connect to power, network and TV and forget about it. Grabbing files from the network.
On the other hand, this might be a steep price to pay: about $500 to make your TV smart...

But if you want to keep the option to see the desktop on TV - Win or Mac - there are no real alternatives.
Otherwise, you might look into having Chromecast do the basic HTPC job (saving some $450 in the process).
Or something in between like WD TV Live (PBO is my favorite in this category)...
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1) No but a mATX PC that can will cost about the same price.
Mini-ITX will do just as well.
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Hmmm DAS. Who knew ! I will check em out furhter.

And it seems they do have RAID options as well : http://www.mediasonic.ca/

Re the back of the TV options vs desktop, yup, I think I'm coming full circle and am back to desktop (one sutaible to the task).
that conclusion!

As to the $35 Chromecast solution, that may indeed be good for one of my other HDTVs!! Comparison here re Chromecast, Roku2 and AppleTV: http://readwrite.com/2013/12/10/comp...-tv-chromecast

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Another option is to have one HTPC, dedicated server or player/server, that has media server software installed and to use a Roku, WD TV Live or similar device on the other TVs. That can be easier to manage and a lot cheaper than having several HTPCs. Dedicated media players generally cost close to $100 vs close to $400 (plus O/S) for a low end HTPC. The server HTPC and network will need to be a little more robust to handle all the recording, server and playback functions but the savings on the other players will more than pay for it.
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Comparison here re Chromecast, Roku2 and AppleTV...
Keep in mind that Chromecast is in very active development (see its own thred below).
And even if it is dropped (like Nexus Q was), it will most likely be left open to hacking.

Unlimited possibilities...
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Another option is to have one HTPC, dedicated server or player/server, that has media server software installed and to use a Roku, WD TV Live or similar device on the other TVs. That can be easier to manage and a lot cheaper than having several HTPCs. Dedicated media players generally cost close to $100 vs close to $400 (plus O/S) for a low end HTPC. The server HTPC and network will need to be a little more robust to handle all the recording, server and playback functions but the savings on the other players will more than pay for it.
Unless you need a lot of browsing, etc and ends up mostly just media playback.. this might be one of the better ideas.

Though, with this, you would need to more settle on WHICH media server, etc you were choosing to use.. to make sure your playback devices (roku, etc) support them.

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TV support may be the major issue. That can probably be worked around but maybe not 100%. The big advantage with HTPCs is, of course, their flexibility. The big disadvantage is the need for more powerful hardware to support a larger, underlying OS. Then there is the software configuration and maintenance requirement, which can be ongoing.
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Yeah, its always a toss up.. and depending on what want, if you want the same experience in each location in the house, etc.

EG: in the living room, I have my laptop there normally.. so don't need the TV for web browsing, etc. TV is a smart TV, so does Netflix out of the box. Its got a built in plex app, so really no HTPC needed there.
But in the basement that's another story.. so it needs to be a more full functioned HTPC.

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Yes each room is different, and thats kinnda what I was refering re "suitable" devices for Room1,Room2,Room3 etc. Didnt really mean to say each room needed an HTPC, just that, in my case, I wanted to 'smarten up' the TVs and refresh some of the exsiting pcs, as appropriate. But to it do it right, one really should take th opportunity to look at hte while house view

My immediate focus is my DEN and BASEMENT which have the biggest screens, heaviest use, oldest failing machines amd largest impact if I ever cut the cable cord! The thread has been really helpful in giving some options and cautions.

My current thinking is this:

COMMON elements
  • retain existing cable modem/router, giagbit swithes
  • replace flakey wireless router in den
DEN: (large LED HDTV, main vieiwing and PVR room)
  • retain HDPVR cable terminal for now
  • replace failing XP with desktop HTPC (likely ASUS) for internet streaming via pc, live tv, PVR, and music playback
  • try to configure with bootable SSD plus local 1 TB drive
  • Install XBMR for Windows or Media Portal
  • Add DAS storage (4 bay) via USB3 ,as main/backup for a/v media file share (photo/video/music)
  • add HD homerun to new router to pursue live TV and PVR capability
  • pursue ipad (or more like a new tablet) dedicated to DEN for remote control of live tv, pvr and streaming functions. this is critical to WAF or it will never fly
  • retain roku3 if still neeed ; if not redeploy to another room
  • re-evaluate smart functions already existing in blu-ray
BASEMENT: (large projection HDTV, event night viewing and music playback and recording)
  • retain HD cable terminal for now
  • replace failing XP with desktop HTPC (likely ASUS) for internet streaming via pc, music playback, audio conversions
  • try to configure with bootable SSD plus local 1 TB drive
  • try to salvage exisitng PCI M-AUDIO 24.96 audio card for legacy vinyl to digital conversions, and digital playback to AVR
  • Add HDMI switch to toggle bluray/pc to HDMI in projector
  • Install XBMR for Windows or Media Portal
  • pursue new tablet dedicated to BASEMENT for remote control
  • access DAS files as a shared drive
  • re-evaluate smart functions already existing in blu-ray
All other room/pcs/hdtvs: no htpcs;no significant change for now other than to access the DAS and smarten up some tvs to access Netflix, and access recored HD homerun shows

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Two tablets as remotes? Won't Harmony do?
What is "smart functions already existing in blu-ray"? You have two Blu-ray players?
Why internal 1TB drive if you have a shared DAS? As a fast local intermediary?
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REMOTE - I'm sure harmony would work for all my tv's, but we like to keep the remote in the room where the tv is, just like a traditional remote. I hope an entry level mini tablet will do the trick. One for the den. One for the basement. I don't want to have my wife running room to room to use a shared remote.

SMART FUNCTIONS OF BLU RAY. It's a basic Panasonic BDT 210 but it came with streaming-media services, including Netflix, Amazon Instant, Vudu, Pandora, Skype, and CinemaNow. It may even have more now. And there is an iPad app for it. So it has potential. Yes two blu ray players, one in den, one in basement. $100 range.

1TB DRIVE. Yes mainly for speed but also its cost effective storage for source or backup use.

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That seems like a good setup so far

Yeah, LIKELY that roku wouldn't be needed in the den. Could re-locate to anther room.. and at min, access media via DLNA, and then give you some other stuff like Netflix, etc as well through it.

Using media portal, xmbc, there are a ton of remotes apps avail for remote functions, so you should be OK there.. now OTHER functions outside of XMBC/media portal they likely wont do much though
Still may need a keyboard/mouse combo of some form handy.
I have this one http://www8.hp.com/ca/en/products/oa...#!tab=features
and its great.. small, and the top right is a little touch pad for moving the mouse around.

Now I would agree with FOUR, that on the basement one.. (or whichever one DOESNT have the DAS and the larger storage) doesn't need to have a 1tb drive.
With a proper setup.. with XMBC or media portal.. these should be set up as CHILD units anyways, and would be accessing the database and content on the other machine anyways.. so don't need a large drive.

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Is the issue around including a 1TB drive about added power consumption and heat? That is, why the concern my thoughts to add a 1TB drive?

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I dont think so.
Get some green drive and it should be fine...
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Agreed. My WD Green 1.5 TB drive has been running in my Ineo Poseidon NAS enclosure at around 6-7 watts idle and around 10 watts full speed. No significant issues with heat or power.

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