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post #16 of 30 (permalink) Old 2014-08-16, 01:36 PM Thread Starter
 
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I have to disagree .I've found the second season to be excellent . The Archie Moore/Yvon Durell episode was amazing . The relationship between Virginia and Lilian is wonderfully dramatic . Masters wife is finding things out about herself and others and the director of the new hospital turns out to be a prude (at best) . This is a season about change and like change anywhere it can be disconcerting .
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post #17 of 30 (permalink) Old 2014-08-16, 01:40 PM
 
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I can't tell whether the series is being stretched or not.

Wayyyyyyyyyy stretched. Waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Agree - way stretched. The one recent episode with just the two of them in the hotel room the whole time, was way too long.

I still enjoy most of the series, but I find my finger very itchy near the FF button, which didn't happen last season.

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I tend to agree. They could cut back on the sex scenes between M&J a lot. Not that they aren't interesting but it really slows the pace. It also makes the series seem more like a soft porn show than a bio. It's still not as bad as The Hobbit though.
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The show concerns sex, sexual practices , mores and cultural biases . Not sure why you think that they should cut back on the themes . Even the thread re Betty which at first i really didn't think necessary is interesting since it concerns prostitution , homosexuality , fertility etc which all relate to the show . This does not seem to me be stretching as mentioned above as much as compacting many ideas . All of those themes are complex and require their due treatment by the writers and actors and due consideration by the viewer .
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Good points sherds.

Another thing why they spend a lot of time on Virginia and Williams coupling is to show that William still equates sex with love whereas Virgina is able to enjoy sex and not expect love...or want it. There is also the exploration of who is dominant and who is submissive. A good example was last week where Virginia turned the tables and demanded William perform solo in front of her.

It's a lot like Mad Men, if you don't really follow the details it will seem slow moving, but there is a lot of very rich material exposed (pun not intended) each episode.
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I took into consideration the relationship between Masters and Johnson and how it turns into a life long partnership. Even so, I think their sexual exploits are being dwelt upon a little too much, at the expense of other themes.
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I think you're missing some of the bigger points here ExDilbert.

Masters is as repressed sexually as Johnson is liberated, and both are learning from that, and that's part of the STUDY.

Compare their domestic lives, Masters is repressed, he see's himself as a the traditional breadwinner and sees his wife/women only as a remote caretaker to his offspring, a traditional view for someone at his station in life. Johnson is challenging him by showing she is a breadwinner AND caretaker to her kids. She has the strength/intellect that his wife/most women don't show, plus she is sexually confident, something he isn't.

His ideas of roles, both sexual and non-sexual, are being turned on a dime and as much as he wants to ignore it he can't because he is dependent on her for the study and so head over heels in love with her sexuality that he's blindsided as what else to do..

I look forward to more developments from this series.
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Virginia definitely enjoys sex and may not expect love but from some of the looks she gives Masters i expect she wants it . The story she told Masters in the Archie Moore episode about her first love may have put her off a bit but i still think she would welcome it .
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She wants both a husband/kids and a career in an age when women were expected to choose one or the other, not both. That's why she stayed rather than move to California where she'd just be a wife/homemaker.
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RE: Their relationship being part of the Study, see that's I guess what I have a problem with. As viewers, we constantly see them at the hotel. There's no indication that they're doing this as part of the study, until the latest episode with Virginia timing him. Word gets out that they may be having an affair and I think the study is being used as justification for it. Yet I feel they know what they're really doing. As he's a man with a newborn child, I find that pretty irresponsible of him. He hasn't even really given his child any attention.

As for Virginia, she had a big argument with him last season, and I thought her part of the story was sending her off in a different direction in parallel to his, which is why it surprised me so much to see them shacking up again. She seems to be a bit too accepting of him, and also quite the enabler.
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Masters of Sex (along with Ray Donovan) renewed for third seasons .
http://tvline.com/2014/08/20/masters...e/#more-541351
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Their original pairing was supposedly for them to get a better idea of what the participants were experiencing in the study . I don't think they were fooling anyone including themselves that there was more to it than that . The second season in the hotel certainly made that plain . The only instrumentation available to them were champagne and rib eye steaks . To paraphrase the old saying "if they talk like lovers, screw like they're lovers and seem like they're lovers then .........."
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As a fan of both shows I'm glad to hear they've been renewed for another season.

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Exactly, Sherds. And they don't seem to really try to hide it either. He even told his own mother at the start of the season that he wouldn't stop seeing Virginia and was quite adamant about it. That to me seemed pretty unbelievable given he had just fathered a child.

His wife has one of the more interesting storylines going on this season, digging herself a hole. Though it seems like she may have realized the mistake she made. She couldn't accept the brother's kindness as she felt too guilty.
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