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post #16 of 28 (permalink) Old 2019-05-14, 01:33 PM
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Regardless, BAI is there now, so Rogers and others can use them or not get service in the subway.

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We need more independently or municipally owned infrastructure. The big telcos own too much as it is. Telcos refusing to pay for access to the BAI owned TTC infrastructure just points out why. It's corporate bullying and anti-competitive behaviour that hurts consumers.
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We need more independently or municipally owned infrastructure. The big telcos own too much as it is. Telcos refusing to pay for access to the BAI owned TTC infrastructure just points out why. It's corporate bullying and anti-competitive behaviour that hurts consumers.
As mentioned in the other thread on Piracy, the corporate mandate is to maximize profits. If you wish this to change, then you'll need to elect members of parliament (or other levels of government) who are willing to change/rewrite laws. I don't see this happening currently, rather people seem to be electing governments that free up corporations and talk about "less government".

I suppose this is starting to get "political" which is not allowed in the forum, however, people need to be aware that corporations are doing exactly what they are supposed to do (currently).

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Sure, but other cities manage to have mobile coverage in the subway without every provider installing their own hardware.

It's even the same provider (BAI) who has put the hardware in, and resells to the local providers in some of those cities!

Rogers and Bell seem to be choosing to be horrid on this. Perhaps having coverage in the tunnels instead of just on the platforms will change this. It won't take long for riders to notice other riders chatting on their phones just fine ...
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Denied access? Why does Rogers lie so blatantly? They have full access, they just don't want to pay another company.
They don't have access to install their own infrastructure. The TTC made an exclusive deal with BAI for 25 years.

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Personally, I'm okay without coverage in the Toronto subway system. Wireless devices have enabled such a rampant culture of rude conduct that it's nice to have some respite from that. And when I was working in Toronto, it was a relief to be cut off from the office for a bit...

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@57 , I am well aware of all that. Yet, corporations refuse to install infrastructure in many places citing high costs. When municipalities or private groups try to install their own infrastructure those same corporations try to block it by lobbying for laws against them. When that fails they turn around and install the infrastructure themselves in order to make the new venture unprofitable.

I stand by my original post. The TTC is acting in the public's best interests. The incumbents are acting in an anti-competitive manner and it's not the only example. They want to restrict BAI's ability to do business by pressuring other private and public agencies from using their infrastructure. Canada has a poor record of prosecuting companies for anti-competitive behaviour. Part of the issue is that the CRTC allows too much concentration of ownership by large carriers and continues to let them acquire smaller competitors. The incumbents are probably formulating plans to buy BAI at a depressed price as I write this.
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I don't know about here, but some countries have laws requiring the telcom companies to share towers etc., when available. All we seem to have here is the various cell companies sharing a building roof. Perhaps a better comparison would be poles. Many of the poles used are owned by the local power company, shared by both cable and phone companies or owned by the phone company and shared by cable. Why can't the same be done in the subway tunnel? The advantage with BAI is they are neutral WRT all cell companies, whereas Roger would not be considered neutral by the others.

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They don't have access to install their own infrastructure. The TTC made an exclusive deal with BAI for 25 years.
Because BAI bid more than Rogers.

However that deal requires BAI to offer Rogers, Bell, etc. access to the signal.

It's not like you are getting to let 4 different companies put their own wiring in the subway tunnels!

BAI does this just find in some other cities, without the drama.
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BAI Communications

Company Overview of BAI Communications Pty Ltd
"The company was founded in 1928 and is headquartered in Chatswood, Australia with additional offices in Australia, the United States, Canada, Europe, and Hong Kong." I wish them luck operating telecom services in Canada. Other international telecoms have tried and given up.
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BAI does this just find in some other cities, without the drama.
Montreal deployed LTE service in its subway system without the drama. One set of infrastructure and everyone has access.
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The Société de transport de Montréal (STM) and its partners Bell, Rogers, TELUS and Videotron today announced that they have turned on a wireless network along a stretch of the Montréal metro.
Which basically means that Bell, Rogers, TELUS and Videotron are providing services on STM. Will other companies like Rogers sign on? The problem on the TTC may just be that it's an Australian/international company, not Canadian. We've already seen how Canadian telcos hate to deal with non-Canadian companies. The CRTC had to step in and stop such practices at least once already.
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As far as I can see, STM isn't receiving any revenue or funding from Telus, Bell, Rogers and Videotron.

TTC received $25.5 million from BAI and an additional $8 million to cover TTC costs.

Bell only bid $5.5 million, and were technically non-compliant.
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