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Nice to see FTH getting a foothold in canada. I'll be crossing my fingers this goes well so other providers might consider it.
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Truthfully, at $857 per home, I will be really surprised if this works.

Let's say a whopping 50% of folks in Saint John and Frederiction go with Aliant for phone, internet and television. That means they have a $1,700 hardware cost plus acquisition costs etc. Total cost of new customer could be close to $2,000 to $2,500 with all costs in.

Assuming a 40% margin that means that Aliant would need those 35,000 homes to spend $5,000 to $6,000 in net present value terms to break even.

I don't know how cable is doing in those cities but I doubt they will get 35,000 homes and I doubt they have a 40% margin so this is quite a risk.



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For sure the cost is way too much I bet the economy of scale would do better in a high density environment of a bigger urban area. Even with a escalation of the user portion it would take a long tome to get a return on investment.
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I spoke to someone from Bell a few years ago who said FTTH in an existing subdivision would cost around $1,000 a home even in Toronto.

new subdivisions are obviously a lot cheaper and MDU's (multiple dwelling units) are the cheapest per home.



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I wonder if given a chance how many people would swallow the cost themselves to have the line installed? Considering a thousand bucks is really nothing considering how much in home infistructure normally costs (furnace, hot watter, sewer lines, ect).

Personally I would be willing to pay the money, if only because it would most likely increase my property value.
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Eventually, it will be necessary for telecommunications companies to do this for every home. Copper and coaxial cable is quickly running out of bandwidth.

Verizon has undertaken this in the US.

And with the cost of raw materials soaring (copper, for example), fibre makes sense.
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i'd gladly pay the 1000 buck if this save me trouble and alot less than what i actually pay. plus if the internet is unlimited bandwidth usage. its an all win for me.
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Well, being out here in NB and in the Freddy area, I can tell you that ever since NBTel went Aliant, NB was put on the backburner for most hardware/infrastructure updates till PEI and NF were brought up to match. We are just finally getting the upgrade we should have years ago but now that FTTH is the thing to use, that is what we are scoring.

Also, FTTH is a LOOOOOONNNNGGG term investment as it is fully capable of replacing all of the old POTS infrastructure and allowing Bell/Aliant to provide just about any service they want. Just look at Verison in the US. They actually sell cable TV service instead of IPTV because of the crazy bandwidth at their disposal and that combined with internet services as fast as 50 dl/20 ul (in mbps not MBps).

Either way, this is going to be REALLY neat. I just hope that I can get it where I am JUST outside the city limits (Maybe 1000 meters outside)
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hey que3jxp, goto https://public.bellaliant.net/FibreOp/ and sign up to get information when it comes avaliable, I also live outside fredericton(in new maryland) and hope they include us in this
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I find Aliant's choice of areas for roll-outs very strange.

Newfoundland gets Max internet first. Very specific parts of Halifax get AliantTV. Now small cities in NB get FTTH.

I don't know if it makes much business sense to start it there rather than Halifax, but more power to them.

I switched to Eastlink because I can't get AliantTV and I can only get Ultra internet (5mb) where I live, even though I am 2mins away from an area that has Max and AliantTV, etc. I am now paying less and getting 3x faster internet and HD PVR, etc.

If FTTH ever comes this way, I'll take a peek for sure.

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The reason it's being rolled out in NB first, taken from the very first line of the announcement on Bell Aliant's corporate website:
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Bell Aliant, with support from the Government of New Brunswick, will be the first in Canada to cover an entire city with fibre to the home (FTTH) technology.
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I find Aliant's choice of areas for roll-outs very strange.

Newfoundland gets Max internet first. Very specific parts of Halifax get AliantTV. Now small cities in NB get FTTH.

I don't know if it makes much business sense to start it there rather than Halifax, but more power to them.

I switched to Eastlink because I can't get AliantTV and I can only get Ultra internet (5mb) where I live, even though I am 2mins away from an area that has Max and AliantTV, etc. I am now paying less and getting 3x faster internet and HD PVR, etc.

If FTTH ever comes this way, I'll take a peek for sure.
Yeah... I figured any Aliant infrastructure upgrades would start in the HRM first, it being the most populated city/metro area in Atlantic Canada.

St. John's has a higher population (100,000) than Fredericton and Saint John, NB as well. AFAIK Max and Aliant TV are only available in the St. John's metro area anyway, not all of Newfoundland.

I don't know the accuracy of these numbers, but Wikipedia says:

Halifax, Nova Scotia 407,007
St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador 181,113
Moncton, New Brunswick 126,424
Saint John, New Brunswick 122,389
Cape Breton Regional Municipality (Sydney Metro Area), Nova Scotia 102,250
Fredericton, New Brunswick 85,688

I know density and other factors (including the fact that the New Brunswick government is supporting this) play a role too, but the metro areas of Halifax, St. John's and Moncton (which is in NB...) have a higher population than Saint John and the Cape Breton Regional Municipality has more people than Fredericton.
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Nice to see FTH getting a foothold in canada. I'll be crossing my fingers this goes well so other providers might consider it.
Quite a few providers are. A couple of independent (as in non-bell) phone companies in my part of Ontario are a offering FTTH and IPTV to their suburban areas..
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Bell Aliant, with support from the Government of New Brunswick, will be the first in Canada to cover an entire city with fibre to the home (FTTH) technology.

That will be a nice bit of press for Bell. I love how they can spin it to say they're the first to cover an entire city... but that city has a tiny population in comparison to most cities in the country.

Oh well, I'm just jealous haha.

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