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post #46 of 705 (permalink) Old 2010-05-23, 09:57 AM Thread Starter
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No, I don't. But I think I found the correct coordinates and site data for it.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=9088

Based on that construction permit modification application, it's definitely not the WNGS shown in the TVFOOL
Coverage Plot for wngs (d) VHF Ch 7 that I was looking at yesterday.
This location takes ya to the next hill West of the existing Channel 38, Channel 39 sites used by WKBW and WIVB. About 7 miles Southwest of WKBW's Transmitter. in google earth, there is definitely a Shadow of a self supporting Tower
Structure at the Lat/Lon indicated in the filing.
It's at a similar gnd elevation but it's antenna is at a much lower radiation center than WKBW or WIVB. So it has a much lower
HAAT.

The location I currently suspect is, follow US Rt 219 South toward Springville, get off at the Genesee Rd exit.
Turn Rt on to Genesee Rd. Take another Rt at the first intersection (Moore Rd), about a mile north on the left.
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That lower antenna, even with a higher ERP of 26kw will make a huge difference in their coverage area. I guess time will tell if they are recievable here on the north side of the lake. I'm seeing their signal on my analyzer but it won't lock
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I can see a steady signal but its weak, not good enough for a lock.
Exactly the same here in St. Catharines. I seem to be right on the digital cliff.
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That lower antenna, even with a higher ERP of 26kw will make a huge difference in their coverage area
yup, that's why I posted the link to it.
66 meters AGL, is lower than many cellular antennas.

Edit: Think I found it's Contour Map and antenna Pattern data.
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...DT1360677.html

per the Engineering data on fcc site, it's using the below Circular Polarization Antenna:
Antenna ID: 98559 Make: SWR Model: SWCVL2SL/7 CP

Kinda looks like this "SL" or "NC" Pattern on the SWR website.

http://www.swr-rf.com/help/polar.html
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It looks like this station is going to be tropo only.
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No WNGS For Canadians

This is from the Buffalo News article linked in Post #1880:
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The old analog signal had been sent from a small tower in Springville that “barely reached the market,” but Arno said the new signal will be completely digital and “will reach all of Western New York” at full power. The station will likely be based in Clarence.

“This is a signal that will reach throughout the entire area,” he said. “It’ll go to Lake Ontario, roughly, and to Batavia on one side, and almost down to Dunkirk. It will cover the market as well as any station.”
So, there you have it... no joy for Canadians it would seem since I interpret Arno's quote to mean that the shore of Lake Ontario will be the extent of its northern contour border.



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no joy for Canadians it would seem since I interpret Arno's quote to mean that the shore of Lake Ontario will be the extent of its northern contour border.
So is the NW Lake Erie Shoreline considered a suburb of the US or sumthin?
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OTA_Canuck has no problem with it in Dunnville.
Based on his results I'm suspecting it'll come in fine at our summer cottage up there also.
Hopefully the content/format changes soon.
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That's one of the hopeful things about the carrying power of VHF-HI channels, but really the best thing for most Canadians OTAers to do at this early point is not change your gear substantially until more testing and information comes out.



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Thumbs down WNGS- dt not locking

Not able to get more than blinking indicator from this.Even tryed a 300 dipole loop cut too channel 7 which used to get analog 7 almost perfect.If there not going to use wkbw old antenna and transmit from analog 67 site instead than forget it as this was a very rare signal in GTA.

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WNGS

Just dont believe the signal pattern listed.Even when WNYO -dt was at 650w I could lock it and the pattern was much smaller area.Maybe there planning to move to higher antenna and just needed to get on the air using the old WNGS site to satisfy FCC .That tower was like a cell tower.

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Thumbs down WNGS

Even people in Buffalo are having problems with reception.Reports of signal strength very weak.If they think the old WNGS site will do then their sadly mistaken.

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Just hold your horses, guys. The Purchase Agreement involves a whole bunch of buildout happening to satisfy the buyers and sellers, and the news article mentions Clarence, NY as the new tower site. The quote by the new owner pretty well stymies the chances of most folks in Canada getting WNGS.

Let's keep an eye on this and see how it evolves.



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Not able to get more than blinking indicator from this.
Are you at least getting somewhat consistent signal?
Myself i'm getting the odd blip for a few seconds then no signal for about 10 minutes. Then repeat. This is with the signal level meter on my cecb.
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Peter last night it was blinking constantly ,this afternoon its not.

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Yeah, last night I was getting blips every 4 minutes or so. I guess when you say blinking that means all your looking at is a LED that turns on when it detects signal.

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