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post #46 of 944 (permalink) Old 2010-08-09, 01:39 PM
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The solution is really simple. Tell the CBC that a large chunk of their Funding will be cut, and you'll see how fast they convert their stations. They could also attempt a pledge drive like PBS does.
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Wow, I got behind on this thread and I am not sure where to start. I must say, while I am disappointed that the CBC won't be transitioning more transmitters sooner, I must say I am not surprised. I do agree with El Gran Chico and this will turn into a big game of Chicken. Unfortunately, if the CRTC doesn't flinch, they will still end up loosing as the media will take the broadcaster's side. I also wouldn't be surprised if CTV and maybe even Global will join the game. The only good outcome (IMHO) would be if the federal government coughs up more money for the CBC for them to speed up their transition before the other networks join in.

Regarding analog repeaters, there may be an argument to keep them operating in mandatory markets (the CRTC didn't include them when counting if a market had 2 stations when determining if it was a mandatory market, so the station may argue that they can stay in analog). Even if they must shut down, I am sure the CBC's primary objective is to preserve licenses. It is much easier to add a repeater back to a license later than it is to get a license for a whole new station. The biggest loss for shutting down a repeater is the loss of simultaneous substitution in those markets, but that is less important to the CBC than the other networks.

So, with this in mind, lets have a look at the CBC's owned-and-operated stations (the privately owned affiliates are not CBC's responsibility). According to Wikipedia, the CBC owns and operates 19 stations; 6 of them will be transitioned by August 31, 2011 and another 8 by August 31, 2012, so that leaves the following 5 stations with an unknown fate (likely they will be shut down):
  • CBIT - Sydney, NS,
  • CBKST - Saskatoon, SK,
  • CFWH - Whitehorse, YK,
  • CHAK - Inuvik, NT and
  • CFFB - Iqaluit, NU.
CBIT and CHAK are not in mandatory markets, so they could, in theory, remain on air (though possibly as repeaters). I suspect CBKST will be merged with CBKT in Regina to make one provincial station. Similarly CFWH and CFFB (plus maybe CHAK) will likely be merged with CFYK in Yellowknife to have one station for all three territories.

This is a step backwards I know, but is anyone really surprised?
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Except for CKCO, we just don't know
Well, TVO has announced that they will be transitioning in all 6 mandatory markets in Ontario, so we do know that.

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though I have a leaning that CIII might, it's actually global's original transmitter
It may have been Global's original transmitter, but it is no longer Global's originating transmitter. Last year they applied for (and were granted) permission to officially "move" the station to Toronto, becoming a local Toronto station rather than a regional (Ontario) station so that they can now sell local advertising.
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I know. The reason I said that is because in technical callsign terms, 41 looks like it acts as a repeater (even with originating station designation). Their callsign is CIII-41, not CIII, CIII is still for the Paris transmitter.

Were it CIII-6 and CIII callsign transferred to 41, that would make alot more sense!

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question about CBC status in Windsor

From Stampeder's Canadian OTA Station Status Chart.
CBC French appears to be using Ch 54 for Analog now.
They can't just stay on the air on that channel as Analog,
after Aug 2011, can they?

Where's it supposed to be moving to for Digital, CH 35, along with CBC English?
So, in lieu of a Digital Transmitter, (Since CBC indicated Windsor won't make it)
will they be retuning their existing Analog Transmitter and Antenna from Ch 54,
to ch 35 BEFORE Aug 2011? Seems like that's 1/2 the work to me...

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ON 	 Windsor 	OP	54	CBEFT 	 CBCF 	 420909	 825705	 205.2	 144000	 710.00	 Z
ON 	Windsor 	AL	69	CBEFT-DT 	 	420909	825705	300.0	15000	800.00	 
ON 	Windsor 	AL	35	CBEFT-PT 	 	420909	825705	286.5	1000000	596.00	 
ON 	Windsor 	OP	9	CBET 	CBCE 	420909	825705	190.6	201000	186.00
ON 	Windsor 	AL	35	CBET-DT 	 	420909	825705	300.0	107000	596.00	 
ON 	Windsor 	AL	9	CBET-PT 	 	420909	825705	190.6	26000	186.00	 
ON 	Windsor 	AL	65	CHWI-DT-60 	 	421858	830224	150.0	800	776.00	 
ON 	Windsor 	AL	25	CHWI-PT-60 	 	421858	830224	93.8	40000	536.00	 
ON 	Windsor 	OP	60	CHWI-TV-60 	INDE 	421858	830224	93.8	32000	746.00	-
ON 	Windsor 	AL	25	CICO-DT-32 	 	420909	825705	300.0	15000	536.00	 
ON 	Windsor 	AL	32	CICO-PT-32 	 	420909	825705	214.3	350000	578.00	 
ON 	Windsor 	OP	32	CICO-TV-32 	TVO 	420909	825705	214.3	217600	578.00	+
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Great! Yet another hole in their grand plan.
Good catch, majortom.
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that was just 5 minutes of pokin around.
I'm sure if ya look hard enough there'd be more
holes than a:

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I'm going to begin sounding like a broken record, but again the insistence of the CRTC to utilize maximum bandwidth and broadcast at 1080i for all channels doubles the expense. Windsor CBC could go digital and broadcast 720p for both English and French on one transmitter using subchannels. Saving the cost of a transmitter.

I wonder if the broadcasters are trying to relax the requirements and use subchannels to ease the expense of the transition.

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I live in one of those markets (Winnipeg) and I want to see the CBC shut down until they find the money they should have budgeted for 4 years ago to get up and running. If they temporarily run at 720p and share with SRC until they can get the other tower up, that's fine with me, but there is no excuse for this level of incompetence. They should also be forced off carriage on cable and satellite until they are fulfilling their mandate.
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I know CBC's Mandate is Canadian programming for Canadian viewers but in an OTA market like Windsor where a lot of people have antenna's on the roof and have digital only tuners to get the Detroit, MI/Toledo, OH locals, it's counter productive to not have the conversion happen on time.
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CBC French appears to be using Ch 54 for Analog now.
They can't just stay on the air on that channel as Analog,
after Aug 2011, can they?
Correct. They will likely just stop broadcasting in French in Windsor.

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Where's it supposed to be moving to for Digital, CH 35, along with CBC English?
No. Channel 35 was CBC English's transitional DTV allocation. Post transition they have been allocated channel 9. There are no plans to transition CBC French in Windsor so they could use either 9 or 35 for CBC English.

Because of Windsor's proximity to Detroit, I doubt if the CRTC/IC will allow any extensions there (if they allow them anywhere). IMHO, the most the CRTC will allow will be for CBC to provide direct feeds to BDUs for up to a year, until they get their DTV transmitters operational. If they do offer this, I hope simusub rights get dropped until the transmitter is operational.
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Revoking simsubs isn't a big stick for CBC because so much of their programming isn't U.S.-based.
And it's an especially peculiar situation in Windsor, where CBC relinquishes rights to shows like Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune because the station is so close to the U.S. border.
As a result, CBET has a schedule that, for part of the day, is unlike any other CBC station in southern Canada.
Revoking BDU carriage — now that would be a big stick. Wonder if the CRTC has the guts to do it.
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hkaye: I'm not certain that the cost of a digital transmitter is vastly impacted by the type of ATSC transmission, whether it be a standard definition or HD resolution.

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I'm just using simple economics. One transmitter is cheaper than 2. Unless I'm missing something about any extra costs of the equipment to put 2 subchannels of 720p on one transmitter as opposed to 1 1080i channel.

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The cost of a multiplexer, perhaps. But a multiplexer is still cheaper than a whole other transmitter.
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