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post #16 of 771 (permalink) Old 2009-12-02, 04:38 PM
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First off, my apologies for being a necroposter, but why start a new one...

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Like many other over-the-air broadcasters, to date TVO has not announced its plans in terms of the changeover.
Umm, haven't all of the other OTA channels already launched digital transmitters, such as CBC, CTV, CITY, CH, OMNI, etc. Isn't TVO the only OTA channel that doesn't broadcast an ATSC signal?
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The digital conversion of TVO’s Master Control is currently underway and will be ready by the fall of 2009. TVO will be available in HD on cable in Ontario and satellite in Canada where capacity can be secured.
Aren't we there yet? Fall of 2009 ends in 19 days.
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Wayne: There are several OTA stations that don't currently broadcast in digital: NTV, /A\, etc.

A digital master control is not digital broadcasting. They've simply upgraded their equipment to digital recording from tape...

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The digital conversion of TVO’s Master Control is currently underway and will be ready by the fall of 2009. TVO will be available in HD on cable in Ontario and satellite in Canada where capacity can be secured.
TVO is the only Toronto station that doesn't have a digital transmitter. Also, their note, as referrenced above says they'll have HD available for cable. So, this brings the question: Are they on schedule with this? Or perhaps it's available, but no one's taken up their HD content? It's likely to be one of these two, as I'm sure the viewers are ready.
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Don't want to sound gloom, but when you read that, doesn't it sound as though that they aren't even going to broadcast OTA? They're concentrating more on feeding cable/sat providers, and OTA is very much down the list, if it even happens at all.

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Well, according to the Feds, they have to broadcast in digital only by Aug 31, 2011.
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Assuming there is no delay (the US delayed at least twice) and that they still do want to broadcast.
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Over the past few years the scuttlebutt I've heard from folks at Canadian viewer-supported public channels like TVO, SCN, and Knowledge Network is about sticker shock over the costs involved to transition to ATSC. A traditional corporate entity like CTV or Global can budget CAPEX (capital expense) line items and amortize them over years, and look at all the griping those two outfits are making about costs! So. by waiting-out the digital transition time clock, the non-profit networks hope to reduce those costs as the availability of ATSC gear and expertise grows in Canada. They of course also want to see what political will there might be to give them financial assistance to make the transition.

This wait-and-see approach also has to do with seeing what the big guys do about actual ATSC coverage over rural areas, which is still up in the air as CTV and Global cry the blues before the CRTC. It would be less hassle for the non-profits to tag onto a shared transmitter site than to have to replace all their own standalone ones. SCN (Saskatchewan), Knowledge (BC) and TVO (Ontario) don't want to have to send teams onto mountain tops, into the muskeg, or on other similar expeditions to swap out their old NTSC broadcast gear.



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But most Ontarians (re: TVO) use BDUs so the first step could be to send an HD feed to BDUs. If they are in the process of upgrading their equipment to digital then that should be relatively unexpensive. They can worry about OTA later on.

But given where the world is going you can question whether it still makes sense for them to use OTA transmitters - why not broadcast over the internet? For an educational service, which is much of TVO's mandate, they can provide a better service over the internet as they can provide OnDemand services that you can't do OTA. But that might end up being even more expensive if it really takes off as that may require tons of bandwidth on their end.
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You've hit on more reasons why they would be taking a wait-and-see attitude (SCN and Knowledge are also very BDU-based in the urban areas).

These viewer-supported networks exist under different license conditions than commercial broadcasters, so for them to consider abandoning their OTA operations would likely be against their core values and purpose.



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These viewer-supported networks exist under different license conditions than commercial broadcasters, so for them to consider abandoning their OTA operations would likely be against their core values and purpose.
But they can argue that they are more than fulfilling these mandates if they can make much (or all) of their content available via the internet so that you can watch what you want whenever you want. That way you are not locked into the tyranny of the schedule.
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This has been discussed (here?) before but they really need to change the way something is "broadcast" over the internet, especially HD content. It takes a lot of bandwidth to do so using the technology of today.

It's fundamentally different from transmitting a signal from a single point to hundreds of thousands of passive receivers.
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I don't know whether TVO wants to go in the Internet broadcasting direction. Let's stay on the OTA topic here.



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TVO is clearly committed to OTA: They have more OTA transmitters in Ontario than all other stations combined.

Their first step was to get their master control out of the "dark ages" of technology. This will obviously facilitate HD for BDU carriage first. They will then embark on upgrading their broadcast infrastructure.

It really makes no sense to upgrade to digital broadcasting first, when you're not able to take full advantage of the capabilities digital broadcasting has to offer.

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It really makes no sense to upgrade to digital broadcasting first, when you're not able to take full advantage of the capabilities digital broadcasting has to offer.
Unless you look at it from the perspective of a customer/owner of TVO in Toronto who has gone ATSC-OTA only. The only channel that this person cannot get today is TVO.
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ATSC-OTA only??? Are there any TVs that can receive ATSC but not NTSC?
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