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post #766 of 773 (permalink) Old 2019-05-14, 01:15 PM
 
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Here's a short clip of the good ole days of free hockey on TV for nostalgia.

Molson Leaf Hockey on Global Wednesday February 26, 1997 with Mike Murphy interviewing Cliff Fletcher on the sad day Doug Gilmore was traded to the New Jersey Devils.

https://youtu.be/7e0-M6vPZcs?t=143

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post #767 of 773 (permalink) Old 2019-05-14, 01:30 PM
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...Here in Canada, the rise of rights fees can be directly correlated to competition between Bell and Rogers to fuel their premium cable channels, and the leagues and teams are only too happy to play along, because why wouldn't they?
I disagree. The end customer is the one who decides what price they are willing to pay. They are the ones who are paying huge prices for game tickets, for Centre Ice, DAZN, or all the other stuff that they want.

It is a corporation's duty to maximize profits. That is in their charter. The end customer (and sometimes the government) is ultimately the one that decides the price they are willing to pay.

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Here's a short clip of the good ole days of free hockey on TV for nostalgia.
Call that nostalgia? I was expecting a clip from the 1960s which was so blurry that the puck couldn't be seen most of the time. Go Bobby Hull!

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My point is, which seems to have been missed is that personal incomes have not kept up with the rising costs of living.
... or peoples' expectations. How many people would would go back to a black and white TV with just one or two channels? How many people would go back to rotary phones tied to the wall with a 6 foot cord and $3 per minute long distance (with inflation that would be $30/min today.) No smartphones, no PCs, no cable, one TV channel, one car per family and walking, riding a bicycle or taking the bus everywhere was how I grew up. There are many more many things that are expected or considered a right today that did not exist or were unattainable luxuries 50 or 100 years ago. A 6 transistor AM radio, Seabreeze record player with 7" singles and the family huddled around a 20" black and white TV that could only receive the CBC was entertainment when I was a youth. It was much more difficult to steal TV (unless it was stealing cable with its 12 channel lineup) or music (suitable tape recorders were very expensive.) Cheap technology has changed all that.
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At my work they supply coffee for free but coffee drinkers come in the morning with Starbucks/Tims/McDs, go out at lunch to the same places for another coffee, and get one in the evening. They complain about the cost of gas going up a cent, and the cost of cable, but don't seem to mind paying 12% interest on the financing for their Mercedes or brag about the crappy interest rate they got on a HELOC or 4th mortgage. They will easily spend $100's on gambling and meals at a casino, but can't bear to spend $100 on cable/satellite service.

They will spend $40 per person + snacks to see the latest Marvel movie at the theatre, and pay the same for their whole family, but when another movie comes out, they have to steal it illegally because paying $7 to stream it is too expensive.

People have weird priorities - I personally don't get it...stealing TV signals just seems to be one thing that is accepted by them, even though they are overpaying for other things willingly.
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@ExDilbert - I agree...when I was growing up we thought it was crazy to go from antenna (we got 2 channels reliably - Global and CHCH, and on most nights CTV and CBC) to cable with 12 channels - 1 was SRC in French, one was just text on the screen. All we got was 2 CBCs, 2 CTVs, CHCH, Global, PBS, ABC, NBC, and CBS. I can remember when we got a convertor and could get another set of American networks, CITY, TVO, and CFMT.

No VCR, no way to watch the show if you missed it, and my whole family had one 22" TV until we got a 14" Black and White as a second TV.

I work with a guy who grew up in Edmonton and claimed they had American networks, but they were delayed a whole day - so you would get Friday's programming from ABC/NBC/CBS on a Saturday. I believe they flew in tapes to replay...

I remember to that if you stole cable, they would have your name in the local paper and you would go to court...families who did steal would open up the boxes, connect the wire to their house, and hope not to get caught...
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I disagree. The end customer is the one who decides what price they are willing to pay. They are the ones who are paying huge prices for game tickets, for Centre Ice, DAZN, or all the other stuff that they want.

It is a corporation's duty to maximize profits. That is in their charter. The end customer (and sometimes the government) is ultimately the one that decides the price they are willing to pay.
End users have paid more and more for those premium cable channels, which has resulted in more money for rights fees for Bell and Rogers. But if they could pay less for rights, they absolutely would do so and still charge the most they could for their premium cable channels. Just as the teams would pay players less if they could, and still charge as much as they could for rights fees.
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As I mentioned before, the problem is that the same small group of corporations have interests in the entire group of companies involved in sports. They own teams that benefit from increased rights fees, paid by broadcasters that benefit from increased prices passed on to BDUs that benefit from price increase passed on to consumers who must often pay for sports channels they don't want and don't watch. It's called vertical integration. When the number of vertically integrated businesses in a particular sector is sufficiently small, it can result in a de facto cartel. That can result in inflated prices and artificially high costs to consumers.

Due to high costs, live sports events are one of the most bootlegged types of programs. It's so bad that the UK has passed oppressive laws that allow broadcasters to monitor and block the IP addresses of bootlegged programs in real time. So far, the Canadian government has refused to allow such actions but it could happen if bootleg servers and illegal consumer boxes cannot be eliminated by other means.
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Sports leagues (especially in the UK) are driving up costs spectacularly. I for one have stopped following different sports because the cost is out of control - not just for TV, but for tickets and other merchandise.

When I was younger, almost all Blue Jays games were free on Baton/CTV with the odd game on CBC or TSN (which was something like $7 extra for all the cable channels at the time). Now you can't even watch baseball (except for the odd game on FOX) without Sportsnet. I barely watch MLB anymore.

I barely watched the NFL as a kid - however, I can watch games on OTA for free now. I watch it all the time.

There are a lot of articles about the demise of boxing with the costs associated to watch it. I assume other sports will follow.

Once a sport gets to expensive, or convoluted (you have to subscribe to multiple pay channels to watch it) I give up on it. Indycar is a good example - use to watch every race. Try and find them this year without paying a fortune.

WWE (if you want to consider it a sport - I do since like gymnastics, it takes skill to put together a routine) has had ratings cut in half the last few years, but they are moving to FOX in the U.S. for a weekly show. It will be interesting if they bounce back. I for one may watch again.

Everything is changing at the moment anyways - DAZN will have more sports competitors, leagues are setting up there own OTT services, and even Facebook/Twitter has live games. OTT services like Netflix that are bleeding entertainment content may need to get sports rights to keep subscribers, and there will always be illegal ways to stream any of these services.

I hope we don't end up like the UK for sports - eventually, it will kill traditionally popular sports in Canada and new ones will emerge - but eventually go through the same cycle. In the UK, studies for various sports show that every year that passes, the average age goes up a year of the fans of those sports - that is not sustainable. The CFL has that problem in Canada - a league that is completely on paid subscription TV.

I know a lot of people enjoy sports, including myself - however, at one point you need to realize they are a business, and if you aren't getting value for what they are providing, you have to move on. Instead of "stealing" the games, sometimes you have to move onto a sport that treats fans better (for now...)
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