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Mods For Antennas Direct DB4e & DB8e (dimensions in Post #5)

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#1 ·
Has anyone modeled either of these antennas? I can't seem to find anything when I search for either antenna having been modeled. Curious to see how they stack up against other 4 bay and 8 bay antennas.
 
#4 ·
I have NOT seen any models for the DB-4e and DB-8e, other than the comprehensive results published by A-D on their website (I've cited links in Post #2 on numerous occasions) using a Professional Antenna Modeling program and presumably accurate Dimensions.....other than improved legibility, what more could anyone want???? I have no reason to doubt their work with results that are pretty much what I would expect, based on similar (but DIFFERENT) Antennas.

[See link at bottom of this post for all 600+ 4nec2 Analyses.]

Of course, if someone [ELSE] wants to go to the trouble of actually BUYING and MEASURING an Antenna and constructing an ACCURATE 4nec2 File, including the CURVES and 3-D features, they are free to do so.....
 
#7 · (Edited)
In Item #3, the Red Plastic can't be COMPLETELY Empty....the Whiskers must be BENT and inserted AT LEAST 3/8-in (or more), otherwise there would be no support structure for the Red Plastic. We need to know how far the Whisker extends into the Red Plastic, since the TOTAL Length of the Whisker determines performance.

Per fol. detailed photo, DB-8e is formed from FOUR 2-Bay Bowties, rather than TWO 4-Bay Bowties....so there are NO Feedline Crossovers required. The Center Feedpoint of each Upper and Lower 2-Bay is connected to Common Points inside the Circular Baluns, which are then connected to a 2-Port RF Combiner inside the Square Box attached to the (non-functional) Support Crossbars. We need to know the Dimensions of these Bent Feedlines.
See fol. Photo: http://forums.solidsignal.com/auximages/DSCN2295.png

In another Forum, rabbit73 posted a photo of the DB-2e, showing the Bent Feedlines uncomfortably close [Q: HOW CLOSE???] to the Support Beam.....is this also "typical" of the DB-4e and hence an important feature needed to provide the requisite SWR...or was it just the DB-2e????
http://www.dtvusaforum.com/attachme...-i-chose-channel-master-4221hd-db2e-snip2.jpg

Q: Are the Bowties perfectly FLAT, or do they have a curvature...if so, how much deviation from FLAT???

Also missing details re Reflector Screen.....

Above Photo was taken from fol. Post in Solid Signal Group Forum:
Hands on with the Antennas Direct DB8e - The Solid Signal Blog

More photos found in fol. Audioholics Article:
Antennas Direct DB8e Ultra Long Range Antenna Review | Audioholics
 
#8 · (Edited)
Antenna model db4e-db8e

The modeling of the DB-4y and DB-8 antenna and the MmanaGal program was elaborated and the results were close to the two documents published in post # 2 (DB4And-TDS.Pdf - DB8And-TDS.Pdf).

With reference to the dimensions, I don't know if they are correct since the image in post # 3 is no longer found, but with the dimensions mentioned in this post and the reference images mentioned in post # 7 the antenna was graphed.

The model in MmanaGal-Basic admits 512 elements maximum, so the antenna reflector only graphs the horizontal ones, pass the model to 4nec2 in which there are errors in the number of segments and the radii of the elements try to correct them but the results are highly varied depending on the number of segments.

Regarding the results (modeled in MmanaGal-Basic) of DB-4 and DB-8 and in both it is similar with respect to the Gain in dBi, Azimuth, Elevation and F / B. With respect to the SWR it is approximated in DB-4 and but in DB-8 and it is different according to the documents published in post # 2.

In reference to the Resistance (R) and the Reactance (jX) there is no reference to whether it is the only thing that does not convince me about this antenna are the results that I obtained in the model.
If someone can tell me what part of the dimension is wrong I will correct it.

DB-4e

DB-8e


This is the file with all the documentation of the DB-4 and DB-8 antenna in .pdf
 

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#10 · (Edited)
Antenna File code MmanaGal:
DB4e
Code:
Antenna_DB4e_UHF_V1
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473.0
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***Source***
1,    0
w121c,    0.0,    1.0
***Load***
0,    0
***Segmentation***
800,    80,    2.0,    2
***G/H/M/R/AzEl/X***
0,    5.0,    3,    300.0,    120,    60,    0.0
DB8e
Code:
Antenna_DB8e_UHF
*
473.0
***Wires***
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***Source***
2,    0
w133c,    0.0,    1.0
w346c,    0.0,    1.0
***Load***
0,    0
***Segmentation***
800,    80,    2.0,    2
***G/H/M/R/AzEl/X***
0,    5.0,    3,    300.0,    120,    60,    0.0
 
#11 ·
Nice work there jop. Looks like you have spent a lot of time on this.
I took your .nec models, and added a few lines to run them through nikiml's
nec_eval python scripts, and they ran flawlessly.
Thanks for all the hard work I am sure you put in to this!
 
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