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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 2019-12-13, 01:30 AM Thread Starter
 
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Cool Current Bell Satellite Installation Standards 2019

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I've been mucking about with Shaw Direct for years, but let my usefulness with Bell falter, as my only Buddy with it rarely needed any help for the last 4 or 5 years. Some time ago I installed a system for him which is off the grid on an island off BC's Sunshine Coast. Obviously there's no installers anywhere nearby and I've never heard of one coming by boat. But now he's run into some grief, and I need to get it current quickly with what's available today.

He's had to replace a few Receivers over the years (He says he never gets more than 2 years from them.) and he's currently got what he thinks is a 9400 there.

The hardware has changed over the years. It seems Bell has followed the cable industry somewhat and has a 3 tuner PVR (watch 2 channels and record one simultaneously? ) they call a Whole Home PVR; and a Whole Home receiver which can connect via RG6 Cabling and the user can watch anything on each Box /TV (typically in different rooms). If more TVs are desired you can't simply add another Whole Home receiver, but need to build up in pairs with another Whole Home PVR first. Seems weird - do I have this correct?


I cannot find a current installation manual. Do you know where I can find one?

I assume the Dish is the same but the LNB can be quite different than before. Bell Quad Plus LNB or Dish Pro Plus (DPP) Twin LNB seem to be the standards as you can send all the signals via a single RG6 cable (3 or 4 outputs respectively) which can connect 3 or 4 PVRs. I hear the Twins are / were having reliability problems so most installers just use the Quad. Switches don't seem to be used unless you want more receivers, or only have 2 RG6 lines from the dish into a house and want more than 2 receivers. The supported Switches are now typically Bell Dish Pro PlusVideoPath DPP44 DPP 44 Switch and Power Inserters.

Anytime a single cable needs to be connected to a multi-tuner receiver, a DP Plus Separator is needed just before the receiver to feed both Sat1 and Sat2 iinputs.

How long will a typical LNB last? 5 years? 10? Should his LNB be replaced each 5 years rather than wait until the 11th hour when its overtime in the Stanley Cup game 7 final, and the TV goes black!

You prompt input would be appreciated.

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 2019-12-13, 09:50 AM
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I can help a bit...the new Bell receiver is the 9500, which is a dual tuner PVR and no longer needs a splitter as it's built into the receiver.

An LNB should be good for 10 years or so and I would think the dish should last longer or maybe forever if they don't change anything.

It may just be an issue considering your friend is in a place where the salt air affects everything metal.

I think we're still at the DPP Quad for the LNB and I think there is a limit of two 9500's per house (not sure why).

Perhaps the installers here can shed some more light on your plight.
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I had bell satellite for MORE than 5 years, with a DPP Twin LNB and it Never EVER gave me problems, the LNB never broke and its still looks new. The 9400 receiver is actually dual tuner not triple tuner, so you can watch one show while recording anohter or record 2 shows and you get the point, both lasted me well over 5 years, theyre very rhobust, reliable, and durable, even with 2 crazy kids in my household who cause a lot of damage to their toys and my furnature, surprisingly my tv equiptment has never been damaged and has been rock solid and durable and has survived. i highly recommend bell equiptment and say its build very durable and reliable.
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Current bell setup

Current installation assuming you will do "whole home pvr" is the following:
same dish 500 as it was before;
same dpp quad/twin (bell stopped supplying quads recently, only used junk twins in really bad shape now) as before;
dpp44 only if install includes some older models (9500 often misbehave when connected to dpp44);
9500 ie hopper duo one/two of them linked with duo hub (Dish Pro Hybrid Duo Hub);
7500 ie 4k joey (with the 4k disabled of course) connected to the aforementioned solo/duo hub.
possible the following: two 9500s - duo hub - splitter - pack of 7500s.
this setup has some disadvantages such as limit of tuners, only two tuners per 9500, therefore if you have two 9500 and 4 7500 then you can only watch 4 tvs at once, the remaining will be watching some prerecorded stuff or on demand. for some bizzare reason bell deceded to go with hopper duo instead of hopper 3, moreover the limit of two 9500s per account. having hard time to comprehend the logic, but i am afraid that is what bell offers so far.
7500 can watch a regular channel, on demand, recordings, but netflix not yet, the last one only available on 9500. hopefully will be rersolved soon as well as the other apps they mentioned year ago.
so there is no instruction for bell in particular available, however you can reffer to Dish's hopper-joey installation bulletin, in which you have to imagine dish 1000.2 as dish 500, dish pro hybrid western arc lnb as dish pro plus twin, hubs remain the same, tap not available since dish doesnt have analogue of super joey, so ignore that part, then dish's hopper duo is 9500 and 4k joey or any joey for that matter as 7500. any questions post to this forum.
oh and yeah the 7500 has same ruwido slim remote as 9500 and as fibe non bluetooth remote (not interchangable with fibe receivers of course)
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Gents,

Thanks for all the info so far. Bell seems to have gone strange with their Whole House concept. If I were to scope it out with MoCA, it would be like Shaw Cable's Gateway system with one PVR Box with all the Tuners on the same network, and then 6 Set Top Box slaves grabbing whatever, all using a single RG6 Cable infrastructure. To me the Whole House PVR should do just that - the whole house with no need for a second PVR Box. Of course have 6 tuners would also be must so all Set Top Boxes can watch something different simultaneously. It would be great to have 8 tuners so they could all be watching something different and you could still record 2 more channels. Or any combination of same. That would be great flexibility.

Anyway, it is what it is for Bell I guess.

For my Friend, I forget exactly what Hardware I used but it could be a Quad Plus LNB, or less likely 2 DBS LNBF with Dual Outputs into a SW21. Back in 2015 I think I did the change to the former. I installed an 6131 Receiver but in the intervening years since my friend somehow moved to a 9400 so he can record. I don't think he's ever got it to work right.

By the way is HD & SD divided to Sat 82 and Sat 91 respectively still? (Shaw Direct has their's all mixed up but is dropping SD big time.)

Again, thanks for the input.

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Yeah bell's system will work with single pvr too, but you only get two tuners, so having 6 tvs and 2 tuners for them wont do any good. HD/SD still divided, you may refer to lyngsat
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I'll check out lyngsat (If I can find Bell's Birds again) to sort out what's HD and SD and where. Thankfully he only wants on TV at the Cabin so far.

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HD is mostly on 82. I don't know for sure if it is all on 82.
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Folks,

Here's Lyngsat 82 https://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Bell-TV-82W.html

and Lyngsat 91 https://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Bell-TV-91W.html\

Almost all of the HD Channels are on 82. About 10 are in HD on 91 but nothing that my friend would watch out west here.

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He's had to replace a few Receivers over the years (He says he never gets more than 2 years from them.)
The two most likely causes of receiver failure are improper grounding and power surges. A grounding block should be installed between the dish and the receiver where the cables enter the house. I suggest he invest $75-$100 in a UPS to protect each receiver.
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