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post #526 of 693 (permalink) Old 2019-06-19, 09:46 PM
 
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Sorry Majortom but I'm with Audacity on this one.

The idea and implementation behind this system was poorly thought out. Remember the story about the boy who cried wolf too often?

The system should have been designed with the option for the end user to opt out of receiving the alerts. As a result, hundreds of complaint calls go to 911 dispatch every time these alerts go off which actually hampers the authorities. Sure go ahead and charge these 911 complainers and tie up court systems already overburdened. Not the answer.

If alerts are sent out for every custody battle, the system as it stands will fail on its on merits.
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post #527 of 693 (permalink) Old 2019-06-20, 12:52 AM
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It's especially bad when the system has a specific category for AMBER alerts, and that category is being bypassed, and everything is a presidential alert.

I'm considering making a "how to" tutorial to explain to Android users how to disable presidential alerts in a easy-to-follow step-by-step process. Of course, I'd leave the AMBER alert, Extreme threats, and Severe threats channels open, but shut down the abuse of the "presidential" channel.

We don't even have a president, anyway.

In today's particular case, the AMBER alert was for a situation hundreds of kilometers away, and according to the information in the news reports, sending a presidential alert to everyone in Alberta was extremely unnecessary.

No matter. Anything that technology can do, more technology can undo. Worst case, you just would end up nuking CellBroadcastReceiver.apk.
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post #528 of 693 (permalink) Old 2019-06-20, 07:34 AM
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The system should have been designed with the option for the end user to opt out of receiving the alerts.
How many would be left to hear the alerts?

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I am with Audacity as well.
We still are not dependent on our mobile phones so they are left nowhere near the bedroom at night. We don’t have a landline phone in the bedroom either.

I would be even more annoyed if one of those alerts went off on my mobile while I was driving on a busy expressway especially if it was snow or ice covered. Maybe, just maybe, I could stay straight but could everyone else...perhaps it would be me who jerked the wheel and caused a crash?

So I would allow the do not disturb and the do not disturb while driving modes to ignore the alerts.

To be very incorrect. I don’t really care about anything less than a tornado or war breaking out.


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its not a problem with technology, its really a problem with society. Society is too dependant on their phones that they keep them on next to their bed, and complain about every little beep or ding it makes. This problem can easily be solved by putting your phones in do not disturb mode or silcence the ringer when you goto bed, but its tooo difficult for society to do that they would rather be vocal about it and complain to 911 operators which is illegal btw. sometimes the solution is right infront of us and its nothing to do with technology, its the fact we are too reliant on it and too lazy to do simple things. do u guys keep your tv on all night? i bet not, so yeah the TV amber alerts do not bother you in your sleep cus its likely your sleeping with the tv off, but why keep your phones on? well cus your expecting an important call or message, if not, shut that ish down! problem solved
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Well this doesn't bode well......

https://www.androidcentral.com/presi...ofed-using-lte
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It's said that digital signatures could be added to the alerts, making it "far more difficult to send spoofed messages", but that it isn't a "magical solution."
I would think that a digital signature would be a requirement for all alerts by design. It's starting to look like the alert system was designed by a government committee rather than experienced standards engineers.
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but why keep your phones on? well cus your expecting an important call or message, if not, shut that ish down! problem solved
You do know that cell phones have other uses besides a phone? Years ago, I had an "alarm clock" next to my bedside to wake me in the morning for work. Today many cell phones are used as alarm clocks to wake the user. So shutting off the phone or putting it in another room is not an option.

The fix is readily at hand. But the powers that be haven't figured that out yet.

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This problem can easily be solved by putting your phones in do not disturb mode or silcence the ringer when you goto bed
You're giving me the horrible impression of someone who doesn't read the posts they're replying to.

The central problem here is that presidential alerts ignore your ringer volume and "do not disturb" modes. They blast out at full volume.
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FYI, on my iPhone 5S, if I turn the ringer off (switch on the side), I don't hear anything, but the vibration of the phone, which I leave on. The phone sits in a dish in the kitchen, so I don't hear it unless I'm nearby and hear it "rattle". I don't recall getting any Presidential Alerts, only Amber Alerts.The phones that get Presidential Alerts are usually ones purchased in the US.

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@57 , in Canada over the past year I haven't received anything other than presidential alerts. All the AMBER alerts and the weather warnings were categorized as "presidential" and didn't use the categories that were intended for those sorts of alerts.

This is on Android phones (Google Pixel phones, specifically). But those alerts (protocol-wise) wouldn't have been any different for your iPhone. I haven't tested a iPhone with the physical alarm switch turned to "off", but I imagine it would work the same way as iPhones behave with the switch off when you use the "find my iPhone" feature and ask it to make noise.
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... And yet, on all my Androids, putting the phone in silent mode has muted these alerts. I get that Canada is using the wrong type of alerts for these cases, but having the phone on silent mode doesn't normally trigger the alert sound either. Do Not Disturb is different as you can allow exceptions (and these alerts do just that), but silent mode doesn't let anything go through
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... in Canada over the past year I haven't received anything other than presidential alerts....
Then you must have a US phone, or something else odd. We don't have a president, so we don't have presidential alerts. I've received only Amber alerts on my phone in Ontario.

Here are the types of alerts in Canada:

https://www.alertready.ca/#types (Amber is under Civil)
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Sorry Majortom but I'm with Audacity on this one.

The idea and implementation behind this system was poorly thought out. Remember the story about the boy who cried wolf too often?

The system should have been designed with the option for the end user to opt out of receiving the alerts. As a result, hundreds of complaint calls go to 911 dispatch every time these alerts go off which actually hampers the authorities. Sure go ahead and charge these 911 complainers and tie up court systems already overburdened. Not the answer.

If alerts are sent out for every custody battle, the system as it stands will fail on its on merits.
People also call 911 to complain about cold Chicken McNuggets, so is that a design flaw in McDonalds? Or maybe just that people are total bloody morons?

Fine them a few hundred bucks every time they abuse 911 like this and the problem will sort itself out.
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post #540 of 693 (permalink) Old 2019-06-23, 03:04 PM
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i put my phone on silent, it silences the alert. their phone does not do that? well that is what they get for buying a grey market phone.
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