How about new lineup - Advanced and Advanced Plus. The latter only for 6xx series receivers connected to an X-Ku dish.

Advanced will be dropped for it. Classic will be kept with only important additions. Maybe, just maybe add new channels to Classic at 1000, if possible, to capable receivers.

The Chronicle Herald has a new TV Guide, and claim that they cover Shaw Direct (they don't really, but that is a topic for another thread). The only Shaw numbers that they supply are the Advanced (Standard Definition) Lineup. That got me thinking that Shaw Direct actually has 4 sets of channel numbers. A channel like NBC (Detroit) actually has 4 sets of numbers. You know where I'm going here don't you...NBC standard advanced lineup, NBC high-def advanced lineup, NBC standard classic lineup, and NBC high-def classic lineup. This would be true for every channel that has a high definition equivalent.

The thought of us actually having 4 sets of channel numbers for each channel makes the classic and advanced system seem even more asinine. Just give us Standard and High Definition channel numbers, start fresh if you must, but do away with this 4 sets of numbers fiasco.

I don't think it's that hard to figure out in the 3 digit line-up 200s are HD 300s are networks,400s sports, 500s specialty and 600s movies you're looking for CTD SD you go to 300 and search the guide.....what's so difficult here?

Then there are the channels that they choose to put on two different channel numbers for whatever reason. Off the top of my head here, Peachtree, TLN, EA2 and a couple more. This was on the classic lineup, not certain about the advanced lineup.

Not sure why those channels you mentioned need 2 spots, it just takes up room for a new channel and it isn't because of time-shift both are the same

Yes, it does sound simple, so why did Shaw change it??? What you are describing is what you and I have, the Classic Channel lineup. But my neighbours across the street have the Advanced lineup. For example, Global BC is channel 5, CBS Detroit is channel 77 and 327 HD, SportsNet West is channel 120 and 315 HD, TMN is channel 232 and 346 HD. Peachtree is 220 on the Advanced lineup..

I agree that the classic lineup is simple but Shaw thought that new customers would find it too complicated ( :-) )and so tried to make the advanced lineup seem more like a cable one.

We do not need both systems..I'm sure that we will be able to handle any channel lineup that Shaw comes up with...just give us one or the other!

Well it doesn't use up any of the valuable bandwidth, only a channel number. The channel is still just on a single transponder position. But, I don't know what the logic is to having a channel appear on two different channel numbers. Maybe to group a channel with other similar channels when the channel is available in two different theme packs but the channel lineup is such a mess already what difference does it make!

Telelatino is on two channels because it use to be a stand alone ethnic service but is now included in the essentials package. When the channel moved to the essentials package, they mirrored the channel with the other essential channels. They did the same thing with Encore Avenue 2, it use to be a premium channel then later moved to essentials.

Peachtree has always had two positions. I believe the channel is only available in the Prime Time package and has always been that way.

It's 270 and 161 on the Advanced lineup. There is no 220.

I suspect the bolded part is right.

The way DirecTV handles HD - show SD and HD versions right next to each other with the "same" channel number and an option to hide SD duplicates - is far and away the best way to handle things, but I have no idea if the software on the 6XX boxes can do it.

To me the advance line-up is completely screwy, Ok I get it's like an old cable box until you run into 3 digits and then that's over. and if you had a really old tv it's done after channel 13

There's nothing more screwy about the advanced lineup as their is the classic lineup. The advanced lineup is exactly like cable as even digital cable starts at 2 (or 1 if you include the barker channel) and goes up from there into three and (in Cogecoland at least) four digit numbers, which is probably what they were going for.

Does anyone know if the French PPVs are still in the 790s or did they go to the 900s as well?

Also wanted to confirm the locations of the following French Channels

TFO
Teletoon Retro

I believe TFO moved to 732 and Teletoon Retro remained on 769 however some online sources show these channels reversed.

Yes the french PPV channels are on 790, 791 and 792. Retro is on 769 and TFO is on 799. There is nothing on 732.

Thanks for the updates. I'm guessing TFO is probably going to move to 732 at some point.