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post #136 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-17, 12:55 PM
 
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"Thank you very much for your feedback regarding the Virtual Channel Override. I have certainly forwarded your concerns to the proper team for review, and have asked them to look into the areas being affected by this."

Looks like this is as far as I'm going to get with them - nowhere.
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post #137 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-17, 03:22 PM
 
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where is everyone located?

Guys,
I think we can all agree that no one here like simsubs and that Shaw Direct has a financial incentive to simsub Global wherever possible. I have read some legitimate complaints in this thread, that would have merit if brought to the CRTC's attention. However, the sad truth is that Global Toronto is a valid simsub for most of the population of Ontario. Toronto, Ottawa, Midland, Paris and Stevenson Global transmitters are all under the CIII callsign and cover most of Ontario east of Lake Huron. DHC'er Emerald_Boar has previously posted links to the published transmission contours:

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/20...ar-d32daic.png
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http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...ar-d32dagj.png
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If your home is within the outer solid line of any of the above maps (or the northern dotted line in the Toronto/Barrie map as channel 7 Midland has also been converted), then Shaw Direct has a legal duty to simsub Global in HD and SD. While many feel that these coverage maps are optimistic, they are what is on file and approved with the CRTC. Global has also received approval for a digital transmitter in the Peterborough/Cobourg area, so they will be allowed to simsub there when it goes online.

The reason CTV is only simsubbed in the GTA, is that Kitchener and Ottawa are separate CTV stations with different callsigns. Since Shaw Direct doesn't carry these stations in HD, they only need to simsub in SD.

The following would be examples of valid complaints:
-Global HD simsubs in Sudbury, Thunder Bay, Elliot Lake, etc
-Global HD simsubs in Peterborough
-CTV HD NOT being simsubbed in Peterborough or Toronto (I don't think anyone would complain about this )

Also, my understanding of simsub rules is that BDUs are REQUIRED to simsub households in their OTA area, if requested. Maybe there is a provision that ALLOWS them to simsub other folks, as part of a negotiation between BDU and broadcaster. I'd like to see the text PROHIBITING simsubs for viewers outside of the OTA footprint - it may not exist.

I don't like 'em either, but them's the rules.
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post #138 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-17, 08:50 PM
 
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Sorry but until Shaw bought Global London never had a Global simsub. Unless the rules changed in the last year Shaw was previously breaking the law. In fact Shaw stopped the simsubs over the summer after their 'experiment'.

The only ones previously getting simsubs were those in the footprint of the Toronto transmitter. Plan and simple Shaw is now abusing its power with vertical integration and we the consumers are the victims.

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post #139 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-17, 09:29 PM
 
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"optimistic" that's an understatement if I've ever heard one.
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post #140 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-17, 11:32 PM
 
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clarification

LONSat I thought this went without saying ... HD simsubs of Global Toronto outside of the GTA were valid as of Global HD transmitters coming online in late August. Look at the map for the CIII Paris contour. If you are inside the solid circle then you will have to deal with the simsubs, get a really tall OTA tower, go grey market, or "move".
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post #141 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-18, 01:26 PM
 
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LONSat I thought this went without saying ... HD simsubs of Global Toronto outside of the GTA were valid as of Global HD transmitters coming online in late August. Look at the map for the CIII Paris contour. If you are inside the solid circle then you will have to deal with the simsubs, get a really tall OTA tower, go grey market, or "move".
I agree with LONSat, it is not just about Global in HD. Prior to Shaw owning Global, here in London we did not have any simsubs from Global in HD or SD. Now all of a sudden they have done both. So Shaw is taking advantage of the situation.
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post #142 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-18, 02:26 PM
 
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Shaw is certainly entitled to simsub Global in London in both SD and HD. I was not aware that London was free of simsubs in standard definition before being bought by Shaw. If anything, you can count your blessing that you didn't have to deal with standard-def simsubs in years past.

If Shaw were simsubbing Global in London, but NOT simsubbing CFPL/CTV2 in Londen, THEN you can say that Shaw is abusing its power and you could complain to the powers that be. If your complaint were recognized to have merit, your reward would be more simsubs!
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post #143 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-18, 06:20 PM
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Ralph is right about this I think. It is possible that Canwest didn't care if Global Ontario was simsubbed outside of the GTA.

Here's my question, does Rogers or Cogeco simsub Global Ontario outside of the GTA? If they do, then Shaw Direct is doing nothing wrong.

I'm going to check tomorrow to see if Global Maritimes is simsubbed for me. I'm guessing not because Global Saint John isn't available on the 505, so it probably isn't possible.
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post #144 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-18, 08:45 PM
 
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Shaw is certainly entitled to simsub Global in London in both SD and HD. I was not aware that London was free of simsubs in standard definition before being bought by Shaw. If anything, you can count your blessing that you didn't have to deal with standard-def simsubs in years past.
I never received any Global simsubs here in Fort Erie until maybe two weeks ago either, and we even had a SD transmitter right in Fort Erie prior to the transition.

And yet, right now, the wife is watching the Emmy Awards and CTV Toronto isn't being simsubbed over WJBK, despite coming from Toronto as well.

Something isn't right here. This whole situation just stinks to high heaven. I mean I can throw it over to the Buffalo affiliates off-air if I don't want to be subjected to simsubs, but I just find it funny that they're simsubbing their own network but none of the others.
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And the fact that they're not simsubbing near Thunder Bay, according to their own email responses, just goes to show what they are up to. The Thunder Bay affiliate was never bought out by Shaw and is still independently owned!!!
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post #146 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-19, 01:22 PM
 
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And the fact that they're not simsubbing near Thunder Bay, according to their own email responses, just goes to show what they are up to. The Thunder Bay affiliate was never bought out by Shaw and is still independently owned!!!
Exactly. They should still be simsubbing Thunder Bay, regardless of ownership.

Very sketchy indeed.
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post #147 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-19, 02:35 PM
 
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CRTC won't help

Dear Sir:

This is in response to your correspondence of September 16, 2011 regarding Signal substitution.



For substitution to take place, the local or regional TV station has to make a request to the cable - or dth satellite tv - company in advance. It is their responsibility - not the station's - to ensure that signal substitution is performed in a manner that is "virtually invisible to the viewer".


We fully recognize that at times small amounts of programming are lost through the use of signal substitution and that this often results in understandable annoyance to television viewers. But such substitution is considered vitally important to our broadcasting system because of its effectiveness in helping to offset the damages that would otherwise be done to Canadian broadcasters through the vast array of U.S. signals distributed by cable, by satellite and other means.



Despite the occasional inconvenience to viewers, the use of signal substitution means that more Canadians are viewing Canadian stations, thus strengthening these stations and the broadcasting system as a whole. In these important respects, we consider our substitution policy worthwhile and valuable. Here is a link to our fact sheet on signal substitution: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/INFO_SHT/Bdt10.htm



All I can suggest is that when similar incidents happen in the future, please provide us with as much detail as possible - times, dates etc. so that we may more effectively investigate any problems. This is because we also expect that signal substitution will be performed in a manner that is virtually invisible to the viewer. Before writing back, please take the time to review our complaints process fact sheet:



http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/INFO_SHT/G8.HTM



I hope you find this information useful.


I am also providing you with a link to the fact sheet entitled "How to make a broadcasting complaint" which explains the CRTC complaints process: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/G8.htm .

IMPORTANT NOTE: Please do not reply to this message using the email address indicated above as we cannot receive e-mail at this address. To reply or to add to your submission, please click here and follow the prompts: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/rapidsccm/land...222.8803924769


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post #148 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-19, 07:02 PM Thread Starter
 
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I think I have that memorized dmbcanada, I don't know how many times I've seen that stupid response by the CRTC.

"Despite the occasional inconvenience to viewers"... the understatement of the millennium!!!
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post #149 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-19, 07:21 PM
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To get anywhere, which still is usually not very far, you need to provide as much detail as possible. Specific times, channels, program names....

I did this years ago when Bell was being really sloppy at simsubs over the summer, and I eventually did get a (rude) response from the Regulatory Compliance officer at Bell, offering his findings and opinions on the matter.
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post #150 of 396 (permalink) Old 2011-09-19, 08:39 PM Thread Starter
 
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Care to share that response from Bell TJ77 (with personal info omitted of course). I've wrote into complaining about Rogers a lot of times, and while they have been highly incompetent, they haven't been rude.
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