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post #61 of 272 (permalink) Old 2010-09-03, 12:43 PM
 
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Jimsathome, the skew should be set at 81 in Kamloops
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post #62 of 272 (permalink) Old 2010-09-03, 01:12 PM Thread Starter
 
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Oksat,

Thanks but according to the Install Manual skew at Kamloops is 79 for Sat A, and 82 for Sat B. I assume 81 is a compromise between them, and I tweaked the dish a bit off in each direction looking for best signal strength.

Tico,

Thanks for the links and all. I agree the setup is looking at both Birds => at the Lake and here at home => but I'm concerned about not being able to exceed 70 on the signal strength using the temporary setup at the Lake.

(By the way, my misses wants me to take down the unsightly dish today as we've got folks coming over for dinner.)

joshuals,

Do you happen to know when the Sun Transit would occur at Paul Lake? It would be usefull to let other neighbor's know so they could easily check if they could see the sun over the mountain, and therefore have a good chance at Sat TV.
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post #63 of 272 (permalink) Old 2010-09-03, 02:30 PM
 
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Sun Transit = ~ Oct 5 to Oct 15
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Do you happen to know when the Sun Transit would occur at Paul Lake? It would be usefull to let other neighbor's know so they could easily check if they could see the sun over the mountain, and therefore have a good chance at Sat TV.

Ummmm...I believe you calculated this data in Post #21......if I take your lat/long from that post I would probably get the same answers you did....
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post #65 of 272 (permalink) Old 2010-09-04, 06:52 PM
 
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If you are surveying a property to see if a specific bird is visible or obstructed by trees and such, I came across this very cool app for iPhones and Android phones.

Tried it on my sons HTC Here and it showed my Bell was JUST above a tree, so now I know to wacth when it grows.

http://www.dishpointer.com/2009/augm...ellite-finder/

If one looks around the net it may be possible to find a slightly older version that works right away.

It sure would make quick work out of finding if there is any chances of a signal and which part of the property is best.

Put the cross hairs over the sat location and then read your azimuth and elevation as well.

It's really awesome.
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post #66 of 272 (permalink) Old 2010-09-04, 08:30 PM Thread Starter
 
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joshuals,

Thanks for the info. Boy do I feel like a dolt. I didn't remember doing that at all.

Sun Transit Predictions

Input Data Satellite: Anik F1
Satellite Longitude: 107.3
Ground Station: Custom
Ground Station Latitude: 50.7345
Ground Station Longitude W: 120.1558
Prediction Year: 2010
Season: Fall
Frequency band: Ku (12GHz)
Antenna Size (meters): 1
System Temperature: 135 K
Solar Flux index at 2800 MHZ (SFU): 142.6

Predicted Degradation

Outage
Date Start
GMT
(hh:mm:ss) End
GMT
(hh:mm:ss) Duration

(Minutes) Max C/N
degrad.
(dB)
OCT. 8 Start 18:47:31 End 18:55:07 Duration 7.6 degrad. (db) 2.77
OCT. 9 18:45:39 18:56:27 10.8 4.59
OCT. 10 18:44:35 18:56:59 12.4 6.08
OCT. 11 18:44:07 18:56:55 12.8 6.84
OCT. 12 18:43:52 18:56:40 12.8 6.75
OCT. 13 18:44:02 18:56:02 12 5.84
OCT. 14 18:44:36 18:55:00 10.4 4.28
OCT. 15 18:45:58 18:53:10 7.2 2.51
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You might want to check 111.1 just for fun. See if there is any measurable difference by sun transit times. That is where the HD content is.
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Sun Transit Predictions

Input Data Satellite: Anik F2
Satellite Longitude: 111.1
Ground Station: KAMLOOPS, BC
Ground Station Latitude: 50.67
Ground Station Longitude W: 120.33
Prediction Year: 2010
Season: Fall
Frequency band: Ku (12GHz)
Antenna Size (meters): 1
System Temperature: 135 K
Solar Flux index at 2800 MHZ (SFU): 142.6

Predicted Degradation

Outage
Date Start
GMT
(hh:mm:ss) End
GMT
(hh:mm:ss) Duration

(Minutes) Max C/N
degrad.
(dB)
OCT. 8 19:04:12 19:11:48 7.6 2.77
OCT. 9 19:02:20 19:13:08 10.8 4.59
OCT. 10 19:01:16 19:13:40 12.4 6.08
OCT. 11 19:00:48 19:13:36 12.8 6.84
OCT. 12 19:00:33 19:13:21 12.8 6.76
OCT. 13 19:00:43 19:12:43 12 5.84
OCT. 14 19:01:17 19:11:41 10.4 4.28
OCT. 15 19:02:39 19:09:51 7.2 2.51

It looks like a few minutes later for this Bird!
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Team,

I got my Camera back so here's the plan and photos. We are going to install a pole / dish beside the old Round one that was getting 60% maximum signal. Then we'll run the cables inside a conduit beside the road about 18 inches deep back to the Cabin. I then plan to install a Multiswitch on the outside wall =>a Phillips SDW5058 or Eagle Aspen S-4180-GX+, or a Zinwell SAM-4803 => I haven't decided which one => comments / preferences please.

The neighbor and I temporarily mounted a 60e Dish and got 70% signal strength, but we were only 5 feet high. I hope for better results with a higher pole.


I'll


See how small our temporary pole was. (But it was dead level!)



I ran the test cable (we will be using outdoor rated Quad Shield RG6) so that it was 330+ feet from the dish to the reciever with minimal impact to signal strenght numbers. (The wind had more impact!) This white cable is indoor dual shield rated so we only used it for testing losses as my Brother in Law bought a 1,000 foot box.

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We tried mounting the temporary dish on the dock but it just confirmed my calculations - too short by about 70 feet. (But the neighbor wanted to try it even though I said it wouldn't work...)


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I thought I'd post this photo showing the ridge we "hit" when searching for the Birds and the clear path just 3 lots down the road.


Regards,
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post #72 of 272 (permalink) Old 2010-09-09, 09:26 AM
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I would reccomend you at least get flooded RG6, if not flooded RG11.
The flooded will counter moisture getting in.
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Excellent pics jim.

I'm kind of happy and heartbroken at the same time seeing the scale of the in field investigation you did. Some people will post and never try anything that is suggested -- just keep asking hoping they will get the answer they want without any work. I'm happy to see that you are definitely not one of those. I'm also disappointed that you've done all that work without a solid result...yet.

We are getting real close to sun transit times - and one more shot at the moon in September if you are interested.

As far as the multiswitch, I use the Eagle Aspen 5X8 w/o any issues. Mounting on an outside wall is a little frightening. You need a power connector going to it. Also, be advised that they are not watertight. Water can run through the center of any unconnected RG port and get inside. On the plus side, they do throw off a bit of heat so condensation shouldn't be an issue. I would mount it inside a watertight enclosure or at least a sheltered location, and ensure that all ports have something connected (you can buy terminators, or make some from ends of coax).
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Jim.

With the test setup, were u able to get picture?

I feel for u. I tried many times to get satellite at our cottage, but it was just not possible.

Maybe move to the North side of the lake.....

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Gents,

Thanks for the comments and suggestions.

Peetee_C, as I stated in an earlier post "We set up a very temporary Dish 5 feet away fro his and got a signal with not too much fussing about. (I'll post a photo) The best signal we got was 70 but only for a moment. Typically it would hold at 63 to 68 - depending on the wind. Channels 299, 284, 351, 354, etc. all worked." That meant we got video and audio. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I still struggle to explain why we didn`t get a better signal than 70. I set it up (again) in front of my home and I got 94% on channel 284 (NBCHD) and 84% on 299 with no fiddling (I just bolted it back into the base after my wife made me take it down last weekend.) I now know about rain fade as in one of the worst downpurs ever ( a Thunderstorm last night) I saw it drop 10 points on both channels.



tico, I'm certainly interested in another Moon shot if you've got it figured. I"d love coorberation of my data. I'm leaning towards a 5X8 multiswitch as I'll probably keep the Lake Cable option available - especially as they say they will soon have High Speed Internet (I expect it too will work with dioplers????). If I go with the Phillips ($31) I can get all the dioplers from Princess Auto for $3 each at the same time. It`s rated at about -30 degrees F outdoors but the Aspen is indoors only. I have already targeted an outside plug where I`ll mount it in a covered box (not sealed). My neighbor is not 100% sure the tech will work (retired Fireman) so he`s not going to dig any trenches over to his property until he sees this all working 100% at the Cabin. So I guess I`ll need some terminators if open connectors leak signal or get interference. I plan to use Ideal F type compression connectors (and their O ring type if I can find them again) with shrink tubing over all outside connections.

classicsat, I`ve never heard of Flooded RG6 but I`ll check into it. We are not trenching in or near the Lake though. We`ll cross the road almost immediately from the pole and the trench / conduit will be alongside the road nearest the lots (just above a sewer line we know is there). I`m uncertain we`d need anything more elaborate than outdoor Quad Shield RG6 in sealed plastic conduit but if you know a good reference please advise a link.

Regards,
Jim
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