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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 2008-11-13, 12:42 PM Thread Starter
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Is the card swap complete?

I read in the thread about piracy that Bell TV is now secure.

Is this true, does it mean that the card swap is complete and the new security system is in place?

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So far most channels are on N3, so hackers have been cut off, many are just pointing to dish network now, many are crying about there porn and ppv hahaha losers... There is a card sharing system IKS that gets the hackers back the nfl and other stuff, it is not a hack but sharing, we hope this can be shut down, though I am not sure, and for now it's not many channels on this IKS system.

So I guess you can say it is 100% secure so far as far as a full hack, also keep in mind if the card sharing does get big ppv will not work.

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Can any tell me what day this happened? I'm surprised that Bell did not issue some type of release announcing it the way they did in 2005.



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Bell is now fully secure as all channels have now been switched over.
The last few channels were switched over yesterday.
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LyngSat still says Nagravision 2/3 on both satellites. I hope they will update the website to show the changes. I hope this new version is non-hackable. I see that through a search on "Nagravision 3" on Google, there is still chat if there's a crack for it.
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LyngSat still says Nagravision 2/3 on both satellites. I hope they will update the website to show the changes. I hope this new version is non-hackable. I see that through a search on "Nagravision 3" on Google, there is still chat if there's a crack for it.
They'll probably leave a few N2 channels opened, like the barker channels and some channel informing users that their card is no longer good, if you buy it in a garage sale, resub an old box, etc.
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Can any tell me what day this happened? I'm surprised that Bell did not issue some type of release announcing it the way they did in 2005.
possibly not to jinx themselves . That was quite embarassing the last time.
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Hugh asked;

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Is the card swap complete?
The answer to that question is a resounding NO.

However I think his question would have been better if it was worded, "Is Bell TV now using Nagra 3 for ALL programming". The answer to that question is YES.

Not wanting to split hairs but I know of several locations throughout Ontario, that are now without TV because they have not yet swapped out the Smart Cards due to the fact that Bell has "forgotten" to ship them out.....
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Exactly. The cutover is complete for broadcasting, but it will likely take weeks/months to find the remaining stragglers and get cards to them.

As this was phased in over the last couple of months (I believe Pinza stated the planned cutover was Oct 16 - so about a month ago) and ran into delays/snags, they (Bell) likely don't want to make the "big announcement" until they are reasonably sure it is working as expected.
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However I think his question would have been better if it was worded, "Is Bell TV now using Nagra 3 for ALL programming". The answer to that question is YES.
Good point but you have answered my question!

So my next question is, now that Nagra 3 encryption is operational, does this mean that FTA is dead until someone cracks Nagra 3?

Does it also mean that we can say that Bell has quite possibly shut down hundreds of thousands of hackers?

I am writing a short article for the site today. If anybody has a link to any pages from hacker sites that have interesting information for the article then could then please send me a private message with the links?

Links with numbers or specifics would be great!



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As I believe Pinza has pointed out in another thread (the state of sat piracy), Bell FTA is down, but at least for now, it is a simple task to repoint the dish to the U.S. and get programming back until they complete the switch to N3. Also mentioned in that thread is the IKS solution that is still running for at least some premium channels.

The hacker sites are mostly full of crap posts "My FTA is down, what do I do" and/or "Keep buying FTA hardware, there will be a hack". Nothing worth quoting that I have seen. Lots of rumours (that I wouldn't put any credibility behind) stating a hack is already done, just waiting for DishNet to complete the cutover. I don't see the reasoning/value in their waiting.
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As dosborne pointed out, FTA is certainly not dead since it's still working on US systems. When US systems go to N3, will it be dead? Possibly but only time will tell. Has Bell shutdown a whole bunch of hackers? Absolutely, although in the long run, who knows if it will stick.

Hackers (I think signal thiefs is probably more appropriate) have pretty much always been around but it's a bit like 'TheClub' principal for a car. Having 'TheClub' certainly won't guarantee that your car doesn't get stolen but it certainly makes the car parked next to it more appealing ... Signal thiefs will just go after what's easiest. Years ago, piracy on DirecTV was huge but they swapped out cards and since then it's basically gone entirely - is it because their new system is foolproof (I'm very sceptical that any system is truly foolproof (although it's certainly possible that the cost is higher than the rewards)) or is it simply because there was an easier target (ExpressVu/Dish).
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So in summary:
  • Bell has now moved to N3 Encryption for virtually every channel but a few barker and information channels. (presumably to inform users who still haven't switched cards.
  • Using FTA boxes to get BellTV is effectively shut down.
  • Pirates are turning their dishes to Dish Net for illegal programming

One more dumb question. Can anyone explain to me why they think Dish has not gone with N3 yet. I thought they started their card swap before Bell?

Appreciate the answers!



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Years ago, piracy on DirecTV was huge but they swapped out cards and since then it's basically gone entirely - is it because their new system is foolproof... or is it simply because there was an easier target (ExpressVu/Dish).
The second, of course.
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So in summary:
  • Bell has now moved to N3 Encryption for virtually every channel but a few barker and information channels. (presumably to inform users who still haven't switched cards.
  • Using FTA boxes to get BellTV is effectively shut down.
  • Pirates are turning their dishes to Dish Net for illegal programming

One more dumb question. Can anyone explain to me why they think Dish has not gone with N3 yet. I thought they started their card swap before Bell?

Appreciate the answers!
Yes but they have much more customers to swap. Bell usually is the first to implement new card tech, with Dish following shortly after.

There is a theory in the pirate world that hackers (the real ones) usually have the cards cracked before the end of the swap, but wait until it is complete to release anything, so the providers are completely committed to the new card. So we'll have to see what happens when Dish switches to N3.
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