voip.ms discussion

[apn]

1. Yes, you can do this.

2. I use the 3CXPhone app on my Nexus One, but there are many options depending on your phone iOS, Android etc.

3. 3CX does this automatically. I've setup to allow intercept (redirect calls to VoIP) if there's a wi-fi connection. Once the wi-fi drops, my phone just calls over the cell network.

Also bear in mind, that since the VoIP will be your primary number (given out to contacts), you might also want to setup failover routing to send calls to you cell phone when you're out of wi-fi range. Or not as the case may be

4. Some cell providers block VoIP calls over 3G, but they have no control over what you do in a wi-fi environment.

I also use a prepaid plan (but also use an ATA for my house phones). Since my primary DID is at the house, I've setup a subaccount for my cell phone, and generally just use it to avoid airtime/ld charges on outgoing calls from a wi-fi zone.

[dheian]

Okay, I'm on about page 10 of the currently 80 pages in this thread, just trying to see if this has already been mentioned. I guess voip.ms really needs a wiki or "cookbook".

I'm wondering how one would set up a "do not disturb" condition so that between certain times the phone would just go to voicemail except for some numbers. Don't want the early morning calls to ring except if its from a relative.

I looked at the time conditions on the account panel and unless it's under my nose I can't see how it would work with a series of callerids.

Thanks!

[apn]

First, you setup a time condition that says from time A to time B, do this with my calls. In your case this would be direct calls to voice-mail.

Second, you go to your Manage DID page and set routing of your primary account (DID) to the Time Condition specified above.

This works really well (I use it a lot), however, I've not found a way to 'punch through' for certain numbers e.g. even I can't call home from my cell phone during the DND hours ;(

[Spreader]

I had a problem today with my VIOP,MS service. I called my wife at work, same city (Toronto) and I am connected to the Toronto server.

I had nothing running on my computer, only an open uTorrent window with nothing being transferred (one file looking for connections, no peers available).

The call was very stuttered on her (receiving) end. I could hear her perfectly.

I am using G711u, premium calls, PAP2T, and the up/down on my wrt54g are showing approx 85kbps. When I hang up, they are showing 0-10kbps on the WAN.

Voip.ms had me test voip connection quality using http://myspeed.visualware.com/indexvoip.php, in which I scored a 1.3ms jitter and 10.0% packet loss to Montreal.

Then they had me ping and tracert to the toronto server:
Ping test, 0 packets lost, min ping 11ms, max ping 12ms, average 11ms.
traceroute test 11 hops

After this there was nothing the person could suggest to me other then change to G729a codec, and set up QoS.

Could the router be the issue? I have port 5060 open in my router, how do I test to see if that is open properly? Is there a chance that this is still caused by uTorrent, even if there is no up/down speeds?

[dheian]

^apn,

Fired off an email to voip.ms and this is what they said:

"Please, go to customer portal -> DID numbers -> CallerID Filtering, here you can add the numbers from the people that you want to receive calls even when you have set a time condition for your DID. Please try and let us know the results of your tests. Thank you for your cooperation."

I'm in the process of setting things up and porting from Bell, so if you can please test his suggestion and lemme know.

[apn]

@Spreader;

You clearly have a problem with your uplink traffic i.e. the skinnier of the two pipes, that's why you can hear your wife fine (down the fat pipe), but your voice packets are not getting upstream in good time, and/or in sequence, hence the stuttering.

I've found that uTorrent is a pig on uplinks, plus even when you set the max # of connections, I think it ignores or overrides somewhere in the app. You don't say what internet service you have, but I use Extreme 10/1 and have noticeable problems if I turn off QoS on my Tomato-equipped router. You need QoS.

BTW, you don't need to fwd any ports if you have NAT=yes on your Account settings and the equivalent in your ATA.

@dheian;

Well I'm surprised, but it does indeed work. I just enabled the time condition per above and setup my Son's cell phone as a 'punch through' number. When I called home from my cell phone I got voice-mail (as intended), but my Son was able to ring through to the house. Thanks for checking that out!

[recneps77]

Originally Posted by apn

2. I use the 3CXPhone app on my Nexus One, but there are many options depending on your phone iOS, Android etc.

Have you tried any other apps besides 3CX?
I'm currently using sipdroid and it seems to work well.

I'd be interested in hearing some pros/cons to 3CX that you've experienced, if you don't mind

[cardero]

Thanks so much apn. Can you just set up the voip.ms service using only your existing cell phone number or do you need to have a separate number they assign and have the calls to that voip.ms number forwarded to the cell number?

[recneps77]

Your cell number remains with the provider.
What you do is have an app running on your smartphone that initiates the voip.ms sessions.

When you make an (outgoing) call, you can set it to use the cell network minutes or the (most likely cheaper) voip.ms network.

When you get an incoming call to your cell number, it's going to use cell minutes regardless.
But if you get an incoming call to your voip.ms number, it's going to use voip.ms minutes (and wireless data or wifi)
If you set it to not use voip over 3G, then you just set the failover on your voip.ms to go to voicemail. An incoming call on that line would fail to connect if you're on 3G and go to voicemail.
If you're on wifi, it would ring on your phone.

[cardero]

Originally Posted by recneps77

Your cell number remains with the provider.
What you do is have an app running on your smartphone that initiates the voip.ms sessions.

When you make an (outgoing) call, you can set it to use the cell network minutes or the (most likely cheaper) voip.ms network.

When you get an incoming call to your cell number, it's going to use cell minutes regardless.
But if you get an incoming call to your voip.ms number, it's going to use voip.ms minutes (and wireless data or wifi)
If you set it to not use voip over 3G, then you just set the failover on your voip.ms to go to voicemail. An incoming call on that line would fail to connect if you're on 3G and go to voicemail.
If you're on wifi, it would ring on your phone.

That set-up sounds perfect for my needs. Appreciate the info.

[gzink]

dheian

That is exactly what I did. Caller ID overides the time condition so your favourite relatives? get through no matter what.

[apn]

Originally Posted by recneps77

Have you tried any other apps besides 3CX?
I'm currently using sipdroid and it seems to work well.

I'd be interested in hearing some pros/cons to 3CX that you've experienced, if you don't mind

Oh, I tried a few, including SIPdroid, which I missed from my list; http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/show...22&postcount=4

While the SIPdroid interface is very flexible, I don't want to be greeted by a "Called Party Address" screen i.e. there's no integration with the cell phone 'Contacts' list.

Sure, I could punch in any SIP URI or phone number and off it goes. When I tested it, I entered my home number and hit the button and during the process of dialing, the phone recognized that I was calling "Home" i.e. it matched to my Contacts.

I found that SIPdroid also had a broad array of Settings to tweak, and I also saw the Youtube video of the author demonstrating Video capabilities, which I don't need.

For me, the 3CX app offered the simplest interface i.e. a phone dialpad, a VoIP registration indicator and tight integration with my phone Contacts. From the home screen I can punch in a number, or hit the Contacts button to quickly find who I want to call.

In the background it also has the Settings capability of SIPdroid, but IIRC, it's the only app that allowed you to setup Profiles i.e. different (sub)accounts on the same provider, or even multiple provider accounts, and allow you to select which Profile you'd like to use as default or for this session.

In summary, my needs were very simple. I wanted a streamlined SIP app with tight integration with my phone. I didn't want something offering to manage a new set of contacts, provide new messaging/contact options, video calling or all the other junk that's crept into Fring etc.

[SupermansZ24]

Hi apn,

This dial plan was givin to me by you on rfd. Today I tried dialing a 1-800 number for the first time but I was getting a fast busy signal. How can I adjust it?

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[cardero]

Just went to Wind Mobile to get their Android phone and voice/data plan, and was told I can't use VOIP on their phone from a wifi spot or through my home wireless router. Furthermore, he said no other provider in Canada would allow that too. Is he misinformed? Can anyone suggest a provider I could use voip.ms with? Thanks.

[recneps77]

I use voip with wind on wifi (and 3G)
It could be they're talking about the wind-firmware phones (and how robelus would have the same policies)

I'm using a nexus one, which comes completely unlocked with no restrictions.
When you buy a phone from a provider, there are usually restrictions in place.

In the case of robelus, these restrictions are usually in the name of $$.
In the case of wind.. i'm actually surprised they would disable that. Unless, of course, the employee was new and had no idea what he was talking about



And thanks for the info, apn.
I don't use voip much and I'm good with numbers so sipdroid's working for me, though I may switch to 3cx for the profiles piece if/once I add secondary account(s)..