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Location: Toronto
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I thought it would be interesting to speculate on what will happen in the next month or two with Sirius and XM in Canada.
Facts Sirius Canada is a Canadian partnership between Standard Broadcasting, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and Sirius in the United States. The company is privately owned and does not publicly report subscriber counts of financial results. XM Radio Canada is the operating name of Canadian Satellite Radio Holdings Inc., a public corporation on the Toronto Stock exchange. The company is controlled by CEO John Bitove, who owns a majority of shares, while the next largest shareholder is XM Satellite Radio out of the U.S. which owns about a quarter of all shares. Sirius Satellite and XM in the U.S. have merged to become Sirius / XM in the U.S. This means the merged Sirius / XM owns about 25% of XM Canada and about the same in Sirius Canada. Speculation I believe a merger is inevitable. Even if Sirius and XM Canada don't want it, I think that Sirius / XM will demand it. I don't think the CRTC will do anything about it if the companies decide to merge. Long term the Merger will allow Sirius/XM Canadians to drop almost half the Canadian stations as the number of channels gets rationalized and you need fewer stations to meet the Canadian content regs. The big question is which company gets the upper hand. The facts are that Sirius has 750K subs, XM under 400K. XM has gone through a fair bit of senior management problems and right now is giving its product away or only charging $5 a month to anyone who threatens to quit. Sirius management seems strong and is kicking XM's butt in Canada. I think the merged company will be driven by the senior management team currently at Sirius Canada. Corporately it will be interesting because Sirius is private and XM is public. I suspect that it would be cheaper to make the new merged company a public company so there wouldn't be a big cost to buy out XM Canada. Anyone else care to speculate? |
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Far East End of Hamilton, ON (Lake & Barton, 10th floor facing East)
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This could go several ways:
CRTC goes completely "hands off" on satellite regulation meaning U.S. subs only but legal in Canada A revival of the DAB band for a paid terrestrial radio service. (remote chance) Like TV, completely "technically" illegal for U.S. signals. (remote chance) The problem is clout of a single entity. The Canadian operations of both Sirius and XM WILL have to be dealt with. I can't see the U.S. operations putting up with the duality for very long. The logistics are too complicating. Not to mention CANCON. There's a lot of dust to settle and it ain't going to be pretty. Cameron |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Yellowknife, NT
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it's interesting to say the least, how two small sub companies could live in Canada when two found it hard to live in the US.
What is Sirius-XM bought XM Canada and played the hand that way? |
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Location: London, ON
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I can see the CRTC getting involved in any merger due to cancon requirements. As with other segments of the broadcasting industry, the CRTC is likely to require more cancon and more Canadian production before it approves any changes. Other than cancon and ownership requirements, the CRTC will likely remain hands off.
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sudbury ON, and Red Lake ON
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Personally I think that a merger is inevitable. The vast majority of programming comes from Sirius XM. Since there will be only one programming supplier (other than the few Canadian stations), how can you have two competing brands with the exact same product?
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I wonder if the CRTC will end up having to relax the 9 to 1 ratio rule because of the merger? I have always said that the best way to go is to have a US sub because you have more channels for less money and absolutely no interference from the CRTC. Because of the CRTC meddling and the approval of the merger in the US, it looks like this will remain the preferred way to get the most out of either service. |
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Toronto
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Why is it inevitable? A lot of people seem to think that Sirius - XM has the ability to make such a demand on the Canadian companies, but you don't know what is in agreements signed between the Canadian companies and the US ones. As for both surviving, well Blockbuster and Hollywood Video both resell and rent the same items from US studios, but they aren't forced to merge. No reason they can't offer nearly the same product and let the consumer decide.
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Brampton - 20" Canadian Tire Electrohome Turn Dial TV; BetaMax; 386sx20mhz w/ 256 colours!
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My bet is they'll bypass CTRC by just closing XM Canada and Sirius Canada will offer a migration discount. The positive cash flow for XM just finally went into profit at the last reporting and does not make up for pass losses.
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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I don't know what's going to happen. In the US they are offering the best of each service on the other platform, why couldn't they just not do this in Canada? Sirius would still have Howard in Canada, and XM still have The Virus, etc.. then it's not entirely the same product, but I guess sooner or later that would cause problems.. I don't know.. I just really like XM Canada, they've been very good to me, and the two repeaters here (and their entire repeater network) is great.. would hate to see them absorbed by Sirius Canada. |
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If they don't merge in Canada won't it encourage more users to get American subs to get the better choice of programming / pricing ?
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The best pricing plan at the moment happens to be in Canada for the lifetime subscription which is about $550+taxes. They don't offer a lifetime subscription in the US.
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Vaughan, Ontario (near Dufferin and Steeles)
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Some facts first...
Here's what they SHOULD do...
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: St. John's, NL
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If I am forced to get a Sirius radio I will be canelling right there and then. It won't happen. I don't know about anyone else.
I don't have the room for that kind of thing And I really don't think giving out 400,000 new radios is the best way of doing this.. If the two platforms can remain with a merger in the US, there's no reason why the companies in Canada couldn't merge and keep both platforms running. |
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