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stampeder · 2011-07-21, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinadog

(no antennas, but dishes up to 24" allowed)

Any legal minds here who can comment on the apparent double-standard in his neighbourhood's restrictive covenant regarding 24" satellite dishes but no TV antennas? It seems to me that in a contract or by-law this could easily be argued, but I'm not sure how well that would apply in a covenant.

chinadog · 2011-07-21, 12:05 PM

Stamdeder:

Just to clarify, I have a restrictive convenant as a homeowner (not a condo) in a subdivision.

stampeder · 2011-07-21, 12:13 PM

Thanks, I corrected that.

I take it your purchase/mortgage included the covenent?

chinadog · 2011-07-21, 12:26 PM

Yes, exactly. There was a two-page list of Restrictive Covenants in the agreement to purchase.

cptmds · 2011-07-21, 01:54 PM

In Westmount (QC), there is a bylaw on antennas that states that it must not be visible from the street. Given the way homes are built around here, it is not hard to do. As well, the law applies equally to satellite dishes.

Despite all this, I don't think it is really enforced, given the amount of satellite dishes (and a couple of UHF antennas) I can see from the street.

ScaryBob · 2011-07-21, 02:57 PM

I'm interested in knowing how these covenants in purchase agreements are enforced. Do the "subdivision police" swoop down and confiscate your antenna? I suspect that some of them wouldn't stand up in court.

Jase88 · 2011-07-21, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cptmds

Despite all this, I don't think it is really enforced, given the amount of satellite dishes (and a couple of UHF antennas) I can see from the street.

It's probably a complaints-based system. There's no enforcement until someone complains.

octopod · 2011-09-13, 07:44 AM

not sure where to post this but... I was wondering if anyone knows if canadian stations are required at some point to give at least some sort of program info as the american stations do.

I know that CHWI and TVO have been sending this info intermittently, but this could just be their decision and have nothing to do with regulations from CRTC or IC

slvramalgam · 2011-11-30, 03:19 PM

I just called Rogers to cancel my basic cable service. The CSR from Rogers asked me why I cancel and told him that I am planning to go OTA. He said to me that the government recentlty made OTA illegal. Is there any truth to that? or is it an attempt to discourage me from cancelling their service?

billpaidJr · 2011-11-30, 03:23 PM

no it is not illegal! Why would anyone say that? I guess some people are really misguided.

ota_canuck · 2011-11-30, 03:31 PM

You should report that comment to someone within Rogers supervision and management. If OTA was illegal, then why does the government regulate licensing to broacasters for broadcasting OTA. The radio spectrum is a sovereign and public domain and it's useage in Canada is regulated through 'Industry Canada' and the 'CRTC'. The use of the radio&tv spectrum is not determined or regulated by broadcast re-distributors such as cable and satelite service providers.

The answer to the CSR's comment is,.. OTA is very legal!

57 · 2011-11-30, 03:35 PM

The (first line) CSR may have been thinking about encrypted FTA, or misinformed about the recent OTA change from analogue to digital. Remember that CSRs are minimum wage people who often don't know what they are talking about outside of what they're reading on a screen. Some are better than that, but again, don't expect much.

hugh · 2011-11-30, 03:36 PM

My guess is simply another case of an ill informed customer service rep or one that simply misunderstood what you were asking.

james99 · 2011-11-30, 03:40 PM

Probably confused OTA with FTA.

FTA was mainly used by hackers a few years ago but not anymore.

slvramalgam · 2011-11-30, 04:22 PM

I specifically told him that he might be mistaken for Satellite Free-to-air, and what i was talking about was "Antenna" and "Over the air" and "signal from the CN Tower". He was still saying that it is illegal. He even said the "government made it illegal just just few months ago".

Mind that he wasn't very nice right off the bat. He said that he will only terminate my cable TV in 30 days and not right the way as I requested. Which was fine as the terms of service stated that i needed 30 days advanced notice to cancel cable. But i said i want to return my digital cable box right now and don't want to be charge for it for another 30 days rental fee. He declined saying that the cable box was "part of the cable package" and i will be charged for it for another 30 days. I then challenged him to show me where in the terms of service agreement that I need 30 days advanced notice to cancel a digital cable box. He finally conceded and said yes the cable box won't be charged if I give it back right the way.

Man, am I glad to get away from Robbers.

PS: He wasn't first line CSR, he was the retention guy.

2011-07-21, 12:05 PM	#137
chinadog Join Date: May 2011 Location: Bradford, 6th Line and West Park Ave Posts: 75	By-laws and antennas Stamdeder: Just to clarify, I have a restrictive convenant as a homeowner (not a condo) in a subdivision.

2011-07-21, 12:26 PM	#139
chinadog Join Date: May 2011 Location: Bradford, 6th Line and West Park Ave Posts: 75	By-laws and antennas Yes, exactly. There was a two-page list of Restrictive Covenants in the agreement to purchase.

2011-07-21, 01:54 PM	#140
cptmds Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Montreal/Ogden, QC (Lake Memphremagog) Posts: 74	Antenna By-laws In Westmount (QC), there is a bylaw on antennas that states that it must not be visible from the street. Given the way homes are built around here, it is not hard to do. As well, the law applies equally to satellite dishes. Despite all this, I don't think it is really enforced, given the amount of satellite dishes (and a couple of UHF antennas) I can see from the street.

2011-07-21, 02:57 PM	#141
ScaryBob Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Dandelion City Posts: 7,133	I'm interested in knowing how these covenants in purchase agreements are enforced. Do the "subdivision police" swoop down and confiscate your antenna? I suspect that some of them wouldn't stand up in court. __________________ At 20 I had a good mind. At 40 I had money. At 60 I've lost my mind and my money. Oh, to be 20 again. --Scary

2011-11-30, 03:19 PM	#144
slvramalgam Rookie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2	OTA is illegal? (Answer: No) I just called Rogers to cancel my basic cable service. The CSR from Rogers asked me why I cancel and told him that I am planning to go OTA. He said to me that the government recentlty made OTA illegal. Is there any truth to that? or is it an attempt to discourage me from cancelling their service? Last edited by slvramalgam; 2011-11-30 at 04:26 PM.

2011-07-21, 12:13 PM	#138
stampeder OTA Forum Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Delta, BC (96Av x 116St) Posts: 23,338	Thanks, I corrected that. I take it your purchase/mortgage included the covenent?

2011-09-13, 07:44 AM	#143
octopod Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chatham, Ont Posts: 124	not sure where to post this but... I was wondering if anyone knows if canadian stations are required at some point to give at least some sort of program info as the american stations do. I know that CHWI and TVO have been sending this info intermittently, but this could just be their decision and have nothing to do with regulations from CRTC or IC

2011-11-30, 03:23 PM	#145
billpaidJr Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 299	no it is not illegal! Why would anyone say that? I guess some people are really misguided.

2011-11-30, 03:31 PM	#146
ota_canuck Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dunnville, Ontario on the Grand River, North shore Lake Erie Posts: 2,406	You should report that comment to someone within Rogers supervision and management. If OTA was illegal, then why does the government regulate licensing to broacasters for broadcasting OTA. The radio spectrum is a sovereign and public domain and it's useage in Canada is regulated through 'Industry Canada' and the 'CRTC'. The use of the radio&tv spectrum is not determined or regulated by broadcast re-distributors such as cable and satelite service providers. The answer to the CSR's comment is,.. OTA is very legal! __________________ 3D SSH III with ZZ4 refl. http://imageshack.us/user/jmsdigital

2011-11-30, 03:35 PM	#147
57 Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Rogers, 8300HD, eHDD, Panasonic TCP65S1, Denon AVR4310Ci; 8300HD, eHDD & Sony KDL40W3000 Posts: 50,345	The (first line) CSR may have been thinking about encrypted FTA, or misinformed about the recent OTA change from analogue to digital. Remember that CSRs are minimum wage people who often don't know what they are talking about outside of what they're reading on a screen. Some are better than that, but again, don't expect much. __________________ 57's Home Theatre (Latest equipment & photos) 57's Optimization Services (Home Theatre Optimization)

2011-11-30, 03:36 PM	#148
hugh Member #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 47,501	My guess is simply another case of an ill informed customer service rep or one that simply misunderstood what you were asking. __________________ As of January 2012, I am no longer the owner of the Digital Home website. If you have questions about the operation of the site, please contact VSAdmin. For personal inquiries contact me at the Hugh Thompson website.

2011-11-30, 03:40 PM	#149
james99 Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burlington Posts: 24,791	Probably confused OTA with FTA. FTA was mainly used by hackers a few years ago but not anymore.

2011-11-30, 04:22 PM	#150
slvramalgam Rookie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2	I specifically told him that he might be mistaken for Satellite Free-to-air, and what i was talking about was "Antenna" and "Over the air" and "signal from the CN Tower". He was still saying that it is illegal. He even said the "government made it illegal just just few months ago". Mind that he wasn't very nice right off the bat. He said that he will only terminate my cable TV in 30 days and not right the way as I requested. Which was fine as the terms of service stated that i needed 30 days advanced notice to cancel cable. But i said i want to return my digital cable box right now and don't want to be charge for it for another 30 days rental fee. He declined saying that the cable box was "part of the cable package" and i will be charged for it for another 30 days. I then challenged him to show me where in the terms of service agreement that I need 30 days advanced notice to cancel a digital cable box. He finally conceded and said yes the cable box won't be charged if I give it back right the way. Man, am I glad to get away from Robbers. PS: He wasn't first line CSR, he was the retention guy.

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