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calvin940 · 2008-01-05, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilblue

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'll play along and try again...

The upfront cost for BD is much higher than Toshiba's A3. Hence we wouldn't go that way for a long time, even if I returned the A3.

In some weeks before Christmas, the BDP1400 was available on Amazon for as low as $260ish. That doesn't appear to be the much higher value that you are talking about. Basically about 2-3 movies higher. Not a price difference I would have expected to cause you angst given your entry into the HD arena.

Nanuuk · 2008-01-05, 06:33 PM

oilblue, the 40GB PS3 isn't a bad deal should you choose to take the jump. So far for BD and DVD, I'm loving it.

U · 2008-01-05, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilblue

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'll play along and try again...

The upfront cost for BD is much higher than Toshiba's A3. Hence we wouldn't go that way for a long time, even if I returned the A3. I don't see the point of buying BD before we get the player, especially considering current prices. True enough that long term software prices outstrip the player, but there's always the option of renting. We had planned on renting red titles, and purchasing when they went on sale.

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Does that make enough sense now?

Not to me anyway. Assuming you have gear capable of enjoying HD (big screen HDTV, surround receiver with good speakers, HD sat/cable box etc.) I don't see how the entry price for BD could be that much of a factor, especially if you have the option of returning the A3... A PS3 is $50 more expensive than an A3 BTW.

oilblue · 2008-01-05, 06:41 PM

calvin940: A.com doesn't help when you live in Edmonton. A drive south of the border surely eats away any savings. Plus, with new tech like this, a reasonable return policy is welcome. Thanks for the tip though.

BTW, what profile is the BDP1400? (this BD thing is so confusing

)

oilblue · 2008-01-05, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by U

Not to me anyway. Assuming you have gear capable of enjoying HD (big screen HDTV, surround receiver with good speakers, HD sat/cable box etc.) I don't see how the entry price for BD could be that much of a factor, especially if you have the option of returning the A3... A PS3 is $50 more expensive than an A3 BTW.

$50 more than what? Retail price of an A3? Thanks, but I wasn't hosed that bad.

What is the actual price of the PS3 you're refering to? I thought they were $400, which is a lot more than $50 north of the A3.

Anyway, we haven't decided to return the A3 folks. We're waiting to see what else happens this week.

If we keep it, we have a few movies, and hopefully new titles still coming down the pipe. And a DVD upconverter.

If we return it, we'll go DVD for a while. We were much happier on the sidelines. BD prices will only go down, so I don't know why everyone thinks I should jump back in right away. Yes, the experience of the last month has left a bitter taste, but I don't see why the money from an A3 return automatically needs to go back to more of the same.

BTW, the entry barrier is between DVD (an upconverter) and BD player. Quite a difference, no? We could return the A3 and unopened movies, pick up an upconverter, and... See why BD has a high barrier? BD is not in our plans for a long time.

calvin940 · 2008-01-05, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilblue

calvin940: A.com doesn't help when you live in Edmonton. A drive south of the border surely eats away any savings. Plus, with new tech like this, a reasonable return policy is welcome. Thanks for the tip though.

BTW, what profile is the BDP1400? (this BD thing is so confusing

)

I hadn't noticed your location. It's true that the Jungle doesn't ship electronics up here. It was more to the point of the cost comparison. There is no doubt that HD DVD players on average are cheaper. I just make the assumption that people that are in the fray right now are a little more cost tolerant on players especially if they buy the movies for the unit. It just seemed that you were pissed off in general and that you just weren't going to give in and wished to cost justify it instead of just decided not to opt in because you were just plain irritated at the whole thing (which again I am not trying to diminish or say you aren't right to be so).

The BDP1400 is a profile 1.0 player. I never put much value in the extras or PiP functionality so it doesn't bother me that much, but if you value that stuff more then that player isn't for you. Hopefully the prices on units will go down more to a level that you are comfortable buying one.

greerb · 2008-01-05, 07:04 PM

oilblue, or you can keep the A3 and use that as your upconverter. There is still alot of HD DVD exclusives that you can still buy, lets see The Matrix?

calvin940 · 2008-01-05, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greerb

oilblue, or you can keep the A3 and use that as your upconverter. There is still alot of HD DVD exclusives that you can still buy, lets see The Matrix?

oilblue, if you are going to get an upconverter anyhow, I think there is no sense in returning your A3. The people on these forums have always said the Toshiba units were excellent upconverters and you can still enjoy the titles that are out on HD DVD and the ones coming up.

darrylr · 2008-01-05, 07:09 PM

How long do you really think The Matrix will remain exclusive now though? I do agree there are lots of good titles that are currently exclusive and if Universal and Paramount do not go neutral in the near future then it will be the only way to see their movies.

JohnnyCanuck · 2008-01-05, 07:15 PM

If there's still a "war" by December I can see an awful lot of money being thrown at Paramount by both sides. And not simply promotional considerations but flat out cash. I don't see Universal going dual while Paramount's still in the house.

oilblue · 2008-01-05, 07:19 PM

Thanks for the viewpoints greerb and calvin940. Keeping the A3 is the way we're leaning at this point (no accident it was listed first

). Just leery of further bombshells dropping. If new titles are continuing, we're fine with keeping the A3, picking up red titles here and there, and upconverting our DVDs.

Matrix is on the list. It'll be a triple-dip though (already bought two versions on DVD)...so I'm trying to resist.

james99 · 2008-01-05, 07:29 PM

Oilblue, I would keep the A3 as an upconvertor. If Universal and Paramount both remain Red and only Red than the format will still be around for some time.

Now, MS and Toshiba could write a blank cheque to both Disney and Fox. If that happens (I don't expect it) than WB could come back.

Red isn't dead just wounded.

shabbs · 2008-01-05, 07:36 PM

"Just a flesh wound!!!"

darrylr · 2008-01-05, 07:40 PM

I wonder what the 64:36 YTD software ratio would be if all the WB sales of HD DVD were removed and some of them moved to Blu-ray instead (for those dual people who bought on HD instead of Blu)?

james99 · 2008-01-05, 07:47 PM

From my observation I would guess that most purple folks were buying HD DVD over BD for WB titles. I could be wrong but it seemed that way.

Of course most folks aren't purple which explains the splits we see.

I doubt WB will sell many new titles on HD DVD. They're being delayed over the BD version anyway.

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2008-01-05, 06:33 PM	#62
Nanuuk Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calgary, AB Shaw Exo Posts: 4,811	oilblue, the 40GB PS3 isn't a bad deal should you choose to take the jump. So far for BD and DVD, I'm loving it.

2008-01-05, 06:41 PM	#64
oilblue Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,752	calvin940: A.com doesn't help when you live in Edmonton. A drive south of the border surely eats away any savings. Plus, with new tech like this, a reasonable return policy is welcome. Thanks for the tip though. BTW, what profile is the BDP1400? (this BD thing is so confusing )

2008-01-05, 07:04 PM	#67
greerb Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Maple Creek,SK - Oppo BDP-83 \| Sony PS3 \| Tosh 50HM66 \| Pio VSX-9120TXH \| Bell HD PVR Posts: 116	oilblue, or you can keep the A3 and use that as your upconverter. There is still alot of HD DVD exclusives that you can still buy, lets see The Matrix?

2008-01-05, 07:09 PM	#69
darrylr Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nepean, Ontario Posts: 2,980	How long do you really think The Matrix will remain exclusive now though? I do agree there are lots of good titles that are currently exclusive and if Universal and Paramount do not go neutral in the near future then it will be the only way to see their movies.

2008-01-05, 07:15 PM	#70
JohnnyCanuck Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 4,645	If there's still a "war" by December I can see an awful lot of money being thrown at Paramount by both sides. And not simply promotional considerations but flat out cash. I don't see Universal going dual while Paramount's still in the house.

2008-01-05, 07:19 PM	#71
oilblue Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,752	Thanks for the viewpoints greerb and calvin940. Keeping the A3 is the way we're leaning at this point (no accident it was listed first ). Just leery of further bombshells dropping. If new titles are continuing, we're fine with keeping the A3, picking up red titles here and there, and upconverting our DVDs. Matrix is on the list. It'll be a triple-dip though (already bought two versions on DVD)...so I'm trying to resist.

2008-01-05, 07:29 PM	#72
james99 Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burlington Posts: 24,791	Oilblue, I would keep the A3 as an upconvertor. If Universal and Paramount both remain Red and only Red than the format will still be around for some time. Now, MS and Toshiba could write a blank cheque to both Disney and Fox. If that happens (I don't expect it) than WB could come back. Red isn't dead just wounded.

2008-01-05, 07:40 PM	#74
darrylr Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nepean, Ontario Posts: 2,980	I wonder what the 64:36 YTD software ratio would be if all the WB sales of HD DVD were removed and some of them moved to Blu-ray instead (for those dual people who bought on HD instead of Blu)?

2008-01-05, 07:47 PM	#75
james99 Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burlington Posts: 24,791	From my observation I would guess that most purple folks were buying HD DVD over BD for WB titles. I could be wrong but it seemed that way. Of course most folks aren't purple which explains the splits we see. I doubt WB will sell many new titles on HD DVD. They're being delayed over the BD version anyway.