Toronto/Buffalo OTA channels after 2009 and then 2011 (closed)

[videobruce]

Has 57 always been directional, or is this somewhat recent??
How about 20 or 30 years ago??

[rob50312]

I think City -tv Toronto has always been a little directional.Videobruce can you not even receive their analog signal.Rich from RW antenna he reports fine reception of 57 and 53 from WNY.

[jimdoo]

The reason he gets it i'm sure is because of the 40' or so tower he has and the huge parabolic antenna setup - I'm sure this helps with the reception

[rob50312]

Jimdoo he also reported reception with using winegard Yagi 9032 either at home or his office cannot remember which on a 40 foot tower.

[videobruce]

rob50312; I always used 57 as a reference. 30 or so years ago I could barely receive it (with a smaller all band antenna and no amp). It was barely there, usually all I would see were the vertical blanking interval when it wouldn't lock. Now, I can see the image, but I wouldn't consider it watchable in any sense if the word. It is the weakest of any station that I can receive from Ontario. 52 is the next weakest.

Rich from RW antenna he reports fine reception of 57 and 53 from WNY

Should read; "fine reception from Niagara county". He is 20 miles closer.

Ok, how about ch. 52? Slightly stronger signal, but still not really watchable.

[rob50312]

Sun analog 52 is a much weaker transmitter but not directional.52 at 30kw from FCP building.While City analog is >310kw at the top of CN tower.So it must be the directional antenna that makes it weaker.I think those antenna pattern pictures are very misleading as to reception areas with directional transmitters.

[roger1818]

I am surprised no one has posted the link to the FCC's DTV Final Channel Designations in this thread yet. It takes a bit of interpretation to read as it uses the station's "Facility ID" instead of its call sign, but from it you can see that in 2009:

• WUTV-DT will remain on 14
• WNYB-DT will revert to 26
• WNLO-DT will remain on 32
• WGRZ-DT will remain on 33
• WNYO-DT will remain on 34
• WKBW-DT will remain on 38
• WIVB-DT will remain on 39
• WNED-DT will remain on 43
• WNGS-DT will start transmitting on 7
• WPXJ-DT will start transmitting on 23

[Tom.F.1]

thanx Rogers, thats a cool link.

Think you can find a canadian link for the same info for TO stations?

[videobruce]

WNGS-DT will start transmitting on 7

Actual 7.1, or where they are now 38.2 (7.2)?

WPXJ-DT will start transmitting on 23

Someone better tell them about it since I just talked to their chief engineer and he doesn't know about any final decision whether it will be 51 or 23.

BTW, that link failed (typical for the FCC).

[dsspredator]

Link works:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-07-138A2.pdf

WHEC ROCHESTER (DT 10) will only be 5.9kW. That sucks.

[videobruce]

Not here. Just hangs on a blank screen.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Tom.F.1

Think you can find a canadian link for the same info for TO stations?

I don't think IC has published that information yet. I susspect we won't see it until sometime in 2009 (a guess on my part).

Originally Posted by videobruce

Actual 7.1, or where they are now 38.2 (7.2)?

WPXJ-DT will be broadcasting at 174-180 MHz which is reffered to as channel 7 in North America. I don't know what channel it will be remapped to but my guess is 51-1.

Originally Posted by videobruce

BTW, that link failed (typical for the FCC).

My guess is it is an issue with the plug-in for Acrobat Reader on you computer.

[videobruce]

My guess is it is an issue with the plug-in for Acrobat Reader on you computer.

I use FoxIt reader. I tried the link with Firefox and it did open. Another one of many reasons why I almost never use that damn FCC site.

Anyway, I do see that WPXJ is allocated to 23 and WNGS is allocated to ch. 7. Again, no one over at WPXJ seems to know this.
More amazing that there will be one VHF station left when the dust settles. I find it hard to believe some UHF allocation couldn't be found for WNGS.
Now, I would immediately think that WNGS would then use WKBW's old xmitter since it solves two issues. It gets rid of WKBWs' old equipment and it gets WNGS a instant VHF facility.

BUT, my main questioin would be, since they (WNGS) are piggybacked on WKBWs' ch. 38 signal, why can't they just remain that way? Why a separate xmitter?? Just blow off VHF 7 and keep things as is?

[videobruce]

roger1818; Looking over that database without any legend, as usual (see previous comments about the FCC), what does that last collumn refer to?
That collumn for population makes no sense either. If you look at the numbers for WIVB & WKBW (xmitters 2 miles apart) there is a 300,000 difference in the counts.

[thenewdc]

Piggybacking WNGS on 7-2 makes it readily available in Southern Ontario, but moving to ch-7 may make it less easily receivable. I hope it stays on 7-2. Of course I could always use my FTA to receive it.