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I_Want_My_HDTV · 2007-12-22, 11:10 PM

We are looking for a standalone gas stove. This would be to provide supplemental heat in a 24'x13'x9' living room with a wide opening to an adjacent room of similar size. It needs to be a smaller model (in size) due to space constraints. I'm thinking about 20,000 BTU would be adequate. It also needs to be direct vent. Any comments or recommendations?

We live about 75 miles from Sarnia so it would be possible to buy from the US if the savings are worthwhile. I've seen stoves on US sites for half the price of Canadian vendors. Any recommendations on buying from the US?

TKG26 · 2007-12-23, 02:16 PM

You want to make sure it has canadian approval is about it.
-Canadian Gas Association logo
-CSA
-a quick glance at the rating plate or even easier check out the install manual IT will make refrence to canadian install clearances. We have differnt requirements then the americans, unless u find an off brand you should be looking at usa/cnd approved units for the most part... For instance a ventless fireplace is not approved for canada but it is in the usa.. (scary! but true

)

A co-worker of mine just installed a free standing stove from vermont castings. Im very much in love with these units, Cast iron consturction gives you that real quallity feel and look to it. Ill try and get his model number for you as it was a very small unit. He had issues as well with space and this could be a fit for your install. They come in a variety of colors as well

TOSnapper · 2007-12-25, 12:31 PM

Make sure you can listen to it running with the fan going and no other noise in the room.

I_Want_My_HDTV · 2007-12-25, 01:21 PM

I doubt we will get the fan option. We're looking for a little radiant heat to increase comfort levels in the evening. We also want it to be hydro independent for emergency heat when the power is out.

Thanks for the feedback TKG26. There appears to be 2 or 3 major makers with a number of lines. I've found a couple that are possibilities on their sites. Will be heading out to the showrooms later this week.

Any estimates on installation costs? The gas pipe/meter is just outside the wall where the stove is going (less than 10' away.) There is a stub that could be used for the connection. I'm guessing it could be done with copper. I was hoping to do the venting myself using the recommended direct vent. (It will go out the back and through the outside wall.)

TKG26 · 2007-12-25, 02:18 PM

If all u need is a gas fitter to do the gas, your looking about 200$ if its a short connect. You can run 1/2" copper for about 20ft(code not in front of me). If istalling the entire unit, prices can range from 50-100$ an hour to a flat rate for the day..

If your DIY then ask Enbridge(or union gas not sure who serves london)to do an inspection on the installation. Piece of mind that u did it all correctly.

I_Want_My_HDTV · 2007-12-25, 11:16 PM

I could probably do the NG myself as well. Not sure if it is allowed or what inspections need to be done. Considering the job done on the gas furnace here, I couldn't be any worse. My dad had a gas fitters license and I've seen it done (did a gas dryer myself many years ago too.) NG is not something I would want to get wrong though.

TKG26 · 2007-12-26, 08:30 AM

Soap and dial test is all that is required on a short connection to excisting gas system. So u should be good to go.

Im pretty sure a home owner can do his own install(i dont think my new code changed this). IT would not hurt to get your dad to sign off on the gas part,

I_Want_My_HDTV · 2007-12-26, 07:13 PM

Thanks again. I'm a little surprised that no inspection is required. I'm familiar with the soap test. Dial test? Is that watching the meter dials?

TKG26 · 2007-12-26, 10:05 PM

Yes inspections have changed over the years, it used to be when i was with the gas company 10 years ago that every single new install required inspection... I would call the gas company about, it would not hurt to request one. For your own peice of mind

Dial test is simple, Turn off all pilots, mark both dials and wait 10minutes. If nothing moves then there are no leaks, you can wait 20,30,40 mins if you like. But 10mins is enough to meet code.

Ill read up on home owner DIY installs in the code when i get a chance and get the exact wording... But im pretty sure your still ok to do your own work in your own home

I_Want_My_HDTV · 2008-01-05, 12:24 AM

Thanks for all your help TKG. It turns out that I found a deal from a local company that will install a reconditioned gas stove for less than it costs new from anywhere else. The reconditioning involved replacing the glass on a new gas stove that was broken at the warehouse and it comes with a full warranty. It not only saves us some money but saves me the work (and cost) of installation. That's an offer I can't refuse so I am taking it.

2007-12-22, 11:10 PM	#1
I_Want_My_HDTV . Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, ON Posts: 6,297	Gas Stove (Fireplace) Recommendations We are looking for a standalone gas stove. This would be to provide supplemental heat in a 24'x13'x9' living room with a wide opening to an adjacent room of similar size. It needs to be a smaller model (in size) due to space constraints. I'm thinking about 20,000 BTU would be adequate. It also needs to be direct vent. Any comments or recommendations? We live about 75 miles from Sarnia so it would be possible to buy from the US if the savings are worthwhile. I've seen stoves on US sites for half the price of Canadian vendors. Any recommendations on buying from the US?

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2007-12-23, 02:16 PM	#2
TKG26 Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: OTTAWA Posts: 2,891	You want to make sure it has canadian approval is about it. -Canadian Gas Association logo -CSA -a quick glance at the rating plate or even easier check out the install manual IT will make refrence to canadian install clearances. We have differnt requirements then the americans, unless u find an off brand you should be looking at usa/cnd approved units for the most part... For instance a ventless fireplace is not approved for canada but it is in the usa.. (scary! but true ) A co-worker of mine just installed a free standing stove from vermont castings. Im very much in love with these units, Cast iron consturction gives you that real quallity feel and look to it. Ill try and get his model number for you as it was a very small unit. He had issues as well with space and this could be a fit for your install. They come in a variety of colors as well

2007-12-25, 12:31 PM	#3
TOSnapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	Make sure you can listen to it running with the fan going and no other noise in the room.

2007-12-25, 01:21 PM	#4
I_Want_My_HDTV . Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, ON Posts: 6,297	I doubt we will get the fan option. We're looking for a little radiant heat to increase comfort levels in the evening. We also want it to be hydro independent for emergency heat when the power is out. Thanks for the feedback TKG26. There appears to be 2 or 3 major makers with a number of lines. I've found a couple that are possibilities on their sites. Will be heading out to the showrooms later this week. Any estimates on installation costs? The gas pipe/meter is just outside the wall where the stove is going (less than 10' away.) There is a stub that could be used for the connection. I'm guessing it could be done with copper. I was hoping to do the venting myself using the recommended direct vent. (It will go out the back and through the outside wall.)

2007-12-25, 02:18 PM	#5
TKG26 Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: OTTAWA Posts: 2,891	If all u need is a gas fitter to do the gas, your looking about 200$ if its a short connect. You can run 1/2" copper for about 20ft(code not in front of me). If istalling the entire unit, prices can range from 50-100$ an hour to a flat rate for the day.. If your DIY then ask Enbridge(or union gas not sure who serves london)to do an inspection on the installation. Piece of mind that u did it all correctly.

2007-12-25, 11:16 PM	#6
I_Want_My_HDTV . Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, ON Posts: 6,297	I could probably do the NG myself as well. Not sure if it is allowed or what inspections need to be done. Considering the job done on the gas furnace here, I couldn't be any worse. My dad had a gas fitters license and I've seen it done (did a gas dryer myself many years ago too.) NG is not something I would want to get wrong though.

2007-12-26, 08:30 AM	#7
TKG26 Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: OTTAWA Posts: 2,891	Soap and dial test is all that is required on a short connection to excisting gas system. So u should be good to go. Im pretty sure a home owner can do his own install(i dont think my new code changed this). IT would not hurt to get your dad to sign off on the gas part,

2007-12-26, 07:13 PM	#8
I_Want_My_HDTV . Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, ON Posts: 6,297	Thanks again. I'm a little surprised that no inspection is required. I'm familiar with the soap test. Dial test? Is that watching the meter dials?

2007-12-26, 10:05 PM	#9
TKG26 Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: OTTAWA Posts: 2,891	Yes inspections have changed over the years, it used to be when i was with the gas company 10 years ago that every single new install required inspection... I would call the gas company about, it would not hurt to request one. For your own peice of mind Dial test is simple, Turn off all pilots, mark both dials and wait 10minutes. If nothing moves then there are no leaks, you can wait 20,30,40 mins if you like. But 10mins is enough to meet code. Ill read up on home owner DIY installs in the code when i get a chance and get the exact wording... But im pretty sure your still ok to do your own work in your own home

2008-01-05, 12:24 AM	#10
I_Want_My_HDTV . Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, ON Posts: 6,297	Thanks for all your help TKG. It turns out that I found a deal from a local company that will install a reconditioned gas stove for less than it costs new from anywhere else. The reconditioning involved replacing the glass on a new gas stove that was broken at the warehouse and it comes with a full warranty. It not only saves us some money but saves me the work (and cost) of installation. That's an offer I can't refuse so I am taking it.