Hi-def software sales discussion - week ending Dec. 9 - Page 4 - Canadian TV, Computing and Home Theatre Forums

darrylr · 2007-12-14, 01:54 PM

The "XBOX360 crowd" makes up over 35% of HD-DVD owners. Maybe we need to start predicting what the "XBOX360 crowd" thinks about movie X or movie Y in hi-def?

jvincent · 2007-12-14, 01:55 PM

The last number I saw was 750,000 for both standalone players plus the 360 add-on. Since the 360 add-on can only be used to play HD-DVDs, it's reasonable to include it in the HD-DVD player count.

darrylr · 2007-12-14, 01:59 PM

The 360 addon is part of the "dedicated" player count but not part of the "standalone" player count.

Yes the number of "dedicated" players is supposed to be 750,000 and according to the NDP data, there are 269,000 360 addons sold putting the "standalone" number at around 481,000.

How many movies could these "360 gamers" really be interested in movies though? Sure they have the hardware capable to play but does that mean they really buy a lot of movies? They must be mostly interested in games - since, afterall, the 360 is mainly a gaming machine.

jvincent · 2007-12-14, 02:09 PM

Well, based on the numbers, they buy more movies than their PS3 counterparts.

The numbers I could find.

Standalone BluRay: ~650,000
PS3s: ~2,000,000

Standalone HD-DVD: ~480,000
360 add-on: ~270,000.

Given the approx 2:1 ratio of S/W sales for BD vs HD-DVD, it can only mean that the BD owners are buying a lot less movies per player and/or the number of PS3s that are seriously being used as players is relatively small.

Or perhaps the overwhelming studio support for BD isn't all it's cracked up to be?

darrylr · 2007-12-14, 03:00 PM

And an article on the original topic...

Disc Sales: 'Pirates' Leads Blu-ray to Decisive Weekly Win Over HD DVD

unreal1080p · 2007-12-14, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I saw the Oprah show with my girlfriend and I don't remember her showing the HD-DVD set. Only the DVD set was mentioned if I remember.

Click below and you will see why the HD DVD version of Planet Earth is getting more of a boost then the Blu-Ray version (besides J6P getting confused):

http://www.oprahs-favorite-things.co...-earth-dvd.htm

calvin940 · 2007-12-14, 03:46 PM

Wow. That certainly could account for it especially if purchasers were matching the case picture to what they bought. Maybe it's an HD DVD fan that runs her website

hc666 · 2007-12-14, 03:50 PM

Oparah likes HD DVD... Bay likes BR...

JohnnyG · 2007-12-14, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icemann

How can you generalize about over 2 Million people?

Because they are 2 million out of 300 million.

darrylr · 2007-12-14, 03:50 PM

The Planet Earth HD-DVD discs are not combo disks are they? If not I wonder how many will get returned?

calvin940 · 2007-12-14, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hc666

Oparah likes HD DVD... Bay likes BR...

You're not actually trying to equate their respective public/consumer influence between those two are you?

Icemann · 2007-12-14, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Because they are 2 million out of 300 million.

That doesn't even come close to making sense.

hc666 · 2007-12-14, 04:00 PM

calvin lol

not really, I wouldn't listen to either of them

JohnnyG · 2007-12-14, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unreal1080p

Click below and you will see why the HD DVD version of Planet Earth is getting more of a boost then the Blu-Ray version (besides J6P getting confused):

http://www.oprahs-favorite-things.co...-earth-dvd.htm

No idea how popular that site might be, but it doesn't seem to be affiliated with the 'real' Oprah.

hc666 · 2007-12-14, 04:02 PM

Honestly, the Planet Earth surge points to player sales. It's the one title I always see around here and seems like a great starter movie for high def. I think that's what it is.

I can't see the Oparah Demographic out buying players either, but I could be wrong.

2007-12-14, 01:59 PM	#48
darrylr Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nepean, Ontario Posts: 2,980	The 360 addon is part of the "dedicated" player count but not part of the "standalone" player count. Yes the number of "dedicated" players is supposed to be 750,000 and according to the NDP data, there are 269,000 360 addons sold putting the "standalone" number at around 481,000. How many movies could these "360 gamers" really be interested in movies though? Sure they have the hardware capable to play but does that mean they really buy a lot of movies? They must be mostly interested in games - since, afterall, the 360 is mainly a gaming machine. Last edited by darrylr; 2007-12-14 at 02:56 PM.

2007-12-14, 03:50 PM	#53
hc666 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 864	Oparah likes HD DVD... Bay likes BR... __________________ Panasonic Bluray DMPBD30 - Toshiba 52XV540 120Hz LCD HDTV - Onkyo TX-SR605 with 7.1

2007-12-14, 04:00 PM	#58
hc666 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 864	calvin lol not really, I wouldn't listen to either of them __________________ Panasonic Bluray DMPBD30 - Toshiba 52XV540 120Hz LCD HDTV - Onkyo TX-SR605 with 7.1

2007-12-14, 04:02 PM	#60
hc666 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 864	Honestly, the Planet Earth surge points to player sales. It's the one title I always see around here and seems like a great starter movie for high def. I think that's what it is. I can't see the Oparah Demographic out buying players either, but I could be wrong. __________________ Panasonic Bluray DMPBD30 - Toshiba 52XV540 120Hz LCD HDTV - Onkyo TX-SR605 with 7.1

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2007-12-14, 01:54 PM	#46
darrylr Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nepean, Ontario Posts: 2,980	The "XBOX360 crowd" makes up over 35% of HD-DVD owners. Maybe we need to start predicting what the "XBOX360 crowd" thinks about movie X or movie Y in hi-def?

2007-12-14, 01:55 PM	#47
jvincent Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,369	The last number I saw was 750,000 for both standalone players plus the 360 add-on. Since the 360 add-on can only be used to play HD-DVDs, it's reasonable to include it in the HD-DVD player count.

2007-12-14, 02:09 PM	#49
jvincent Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ottawa Posts: 5,369	Well, based on the numbers, they buy more movies than their PS3 counterparts. The numbers I could find. Standalone BluRay: ~650,000 PS3s: ~2,000,000 Standalone HD-DVD: ~480,000 360 add-on: ~270,000. Given the approx 2:1 ratio of S/W sales for BD vs HD-DVD, it can only mean that the BD owners are buying a lot less movies per player and/or the number of PS3s that are seriously being used as players is relatively small. Or perhaps the overwhelming studio support for BD isn't all it's cracked up to be?

2007-12-14, 03:00 PM	#50
darrylr Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nepean, Ontario Posts: 2,980	And an article on the original topic... Disc Sales: 'Pirates' Leads Blu-ray to Decisive Weekly Win Over HD DVD

2007-12-14, 03:46 PM	#52
calvin940 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 1,600	Wow. That certainly could account for it especially if purchasers were matching the case picture to what they bought. Maybe it's an HD DVD fan that runs her website