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JohnOchen · 2007-08-29, 11:20 PM

First of all sorry if this has been asked before but a search did not turn up the info that I am looking for. We are new BEV customers and they will be installing our system in about 3 weeks (at my request). We have 4 TVs and are looking at 1 HD rcvr, 2 standard, and 1 standard PVR. From what I have been able to learn from the installation guidelines and the ExpressVu agent, the dish and 4 receivers along with up to 150' of cable are installed free of charge as long as We have signed up for 2 years service. Am I missing anything or are there charges I am not aware of? I surely don't want any surprises...that my wife will let me know about for the entire 2 years of service. Also the agent informed me that up to 6 recvrs can be installed on one dish (6 standard I assume knowing that the Hd takes 2 cables). Thanks for any and all information.

JO

haystack · 2007-08-30, 12:22 AM

hi john
You only get 3 receivers the hdpvr rec counts as two. You get two remotes one for 1st hdtv rec and a wire going to a 2nd sdtv with the other remote that can work through walls and operates a tuner on the hdtv rec for your 2nd sdtv . 3rd tv is the sdpvr receiver, 4tv sdtv receiver. you can only rent 4 tuners hd counts as two. To get 6 you must buy at least buy 2 of them.
Some subs have no surprises others have lots. Ya pays your money and takes your chances good luck!

Get some plates for the wall and ask the installer to use them.

I_Want_My_HDTV · 2007-08-30, 12:41 AM

IIRC, the first receiver installation is free and the others are $50 each. That may be different for rentals. I guess you will find out when the installer arrives. If I were you, I would get a 9200 instead of the 6100 and 5900. 9200 rental is $20 vs the $10 + $10 you will be paying for the 6100 and the 5900 PVR. The 9200 PVR allows HD recording, has twice the disk space of the 5900 and the recorded material can be accessed from two TVs independently with 2 remotes. (The 9200 beats a 6100 + 5900 hands down and I should know because I went that route and upgraded to a 9200.) With a splitter, the 9200 can even feed 1 HDTV plus 3 SD TVs, though not independently for the SDTVs. The feed from the 9200 to the second TV is free.

JohnOchen · 2007-08-30, 06:46 AM

Ok since this gets more confusing let me describe what we want to do. 4 tvs in total are going to be connected. And I want to be sure that one tv in my wife's sitting room has the S video and audio cables connected for best sound and the HDTV in the living room is also connected to the box via audio cables and HDMI or if that capability is not in the box then DVI or S video. So it boils down to ..

TV in kitchen....connected back to HDTV (not PVR) box
TV in living room....connected to same HDTV box
TV in sitting room....connected to PVR standard box
TV in bedroom....connected to standard box

Is that right and there is no additional charge since this counts as 4 boxes?

Also (if I read Haystack correctly) can the second tv connected to the HDTV box watch a different channel...IOW are there 2 tuners in the HDTV box?

Thanks again..

JO

dosborne · 2007-08-30, 08:02 AM

What they are suggesting is that instead of the 6100 HDTV reciever and the 5900 SD PVR that you get a 9200 HDTV PVR which has 2 tuners, more record time capacity and will run 2 TVs (one HD TV and one SD TV - can be run so that each can watch their own live channels or recorded show - also comes with 2 remotes).

Check the forums for more info on the 9200 or go to the bell site.

Nimiq 1 · 2007-08-30, 09:12 AM

I will try to answer you questions based upon your posting and not from guessing or advising alternate models.

We do however have to make one assumption, namely that you are entering into a 2 year Rental agreement. My reply is based on this fact.

Quote:

We have 4 TVs and are looking at 1 HD rcvr, 2 standard, and 1 standard PVR.

No problems at all, all are available to Rent and all will be installed Free Of Charge.

Quote:

the dish and 4 receivers along with up to 150' of cable are installed free of charge as long as We have signed up for 2 years service

There is no limit to the amount of cable used on installations any more, there used to a limit but it was removed.

Quote:

Also the agent informed me that up to 6 recvrs can be installed on one dish

The reason the agent said this is really because there is a 6 receiver limit on an account, from a technical standpoint there is almost no limit to the numbers of receivers being fed from one Dish.

Quote:

6 standard I assume knowing that the Hd takes 2 cables

An HD receiver does NOT take 2 cablesbut an HD PVR does. It is still possible to feed 6 HD PVR's from a single Dish.

Now that covers what was written.......

If you were implying that your HD receiver was going to be an HD PVR, that is different.

On a 2 year Rental you could get the HD PVR and 2 other single tuner receivers installed for free, the maximum number of Tuners for a New Rental Customer is 4. After that it gets complicated....lol

Let me know if I read you correctly....

No problems

JohnOchen · 2007-08-30, 12:37 PM

Thanks for the reply and I believe you read my post spot on. My wife has no need of an HD RVR and I don't want to use the box on one set, PVR or not, because she wants it as simple to use as possible...trust me on this one. It looks pretty straight forward then. We will have an HD (no PVR) box in the living room. A standard PVR receiver in my wife's sitting room where she can record her shows and movies. One standard in the kitchen and one standard in the bedroom. Actually even though there is no cable charge anymore 150' should do it. In order to make it as painless as possible for the installer, some of the cable goes through a crawlspace and some through a portion of the attic. I am going to feed that cable for him/her. All he/she has to do is drill a couple of holes on the exterior of the house and feed the cable to me and I can feed it to the rooms for the final connection. I am in the service business and crawlspaces and attics are not where most installers want to be. This should make it simple and easy for the installer.

Thanks to evryone for the great replies, I am much better informed at this point.

And yes it is a 2 year rental agreement.

JO

haystack · 2007-08-30, 12:50 PM

Your going to make an installer happy by doing the crawlspace and addict for him, don't forget the face plates you cannot put them on after without striping the end of your cable and you need a tool to do that.

Nimiq 1 · 2007-08-30, 02:07 PM

haystack you are correct this is going to be one happy installer.

JohnOchen, if you were in my area, the Tech would provide you the Wallplates, it is a small Customer Service that we ask our Guys to provide.

If you do not have the Wallplates to hand at installation time, just ask the Installer to leave a connection at the point where the Wallplate will be, he will then provide you with an F81 (Barrel Connector) for the connection, this can be used in the Wallplate when you get it. The advantage is that the F81 will be, or should be, 2 Ghz or higher which is the correct rating for this piece. The ones fitted in most Wallplates do not pass 1 Ghz.......

notsure · 2007-08-30, 02:44 PM

Nimiq 1; you have the completely wrong attitude to be associated with BEV.

Are you sure you somehow work with/for them???

i hate tv · 2007-08-30, 04:11 PM

My 2 cents
Even though your wife wants it a simple as possible, I would still go with the 9200
It is NOT complicated at all
If she doesnt want to use the PVR functions, she doesnt have to
The remotes look almost identical (PVR to standard) button configuration wise
The cost to rent a 9200 = $20 a month
and can provide signal to 2 seperate locations, both watching different channels at the same time
Or, you can rent a 6100 = $10 + 5900 = $10
and watch seperate programs on 2 TV's
The same price, but you lose the ability to record in HD (Believe me, its worth it!)
Its your call, but I would strongly recommend you upgrading to the 9200, you will NOT be disappointed (and your wife will thank you later too! )
Good Luck

Nimiq 1 · 2007-08-30, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notsure

Nimiq 1; you have the completely wrong attitude to be associated with BEV.

Are you sure you somehow work with/for them???

I am sorry I will try much harder in future to never answer straight questions with any specifics, be more condescending and try to upsell everyone.

Would that be better.?

Thanks for the comment though, it was appreciated.

i hate tv · 2007-08-30, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimiq 1

I am sorry I will try much harder in future to never answer straight questions with any specifics, be more condescending and try to upsell everyone.

Would that be better.?

Thanks for the comment though, it was appreciated.

Thats more like it nimiq!

JohnOchen · 2007-08-30, 07:17 PM

Thanks for all the great information I appreciate it a lot! And thanks for all the tips, it is going to make the install a lot smoother.

PS

I_Want_My_HDTV · 2007-08-30, 07:26 PM

My original advice stands. Get a 9200 HD PVR instead of the HD receiver + PVR. The cost is the same but it is much better value for the money, especially for the HDTV. Hook the 9200 directly to the HDTV and the RF out to the TV that was to get the 5900. The RF quality of the 9200 is very good, about as good as S-video from the 5900.

It is costly to upgrade receivers after the fact so you are basically stuck with what you activate unless you want to pay the upgrade fees and more per month for the receivers. After you see the 5900 in action, you will want an HD PVR (9200) too.

2007-08-29, 11:20 PM	#1
JohnOchen Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 42	New Customer Installation Question First of all sorry if this has been asked before but a search did not turn up the info that I am looking for. We are new BEV customers and they will be installing our system in about 3 weeks (at my request). We have 4 TVs and are looking at 1 HD rcvr, 2 standard, and 1 standard PVR. From what I have been able to learn from the installation guidelines and the ExpressVu agent, the dish and 4 receivers along with up to 150' of cable are installed free of charge as long as We have signed up for 2 years service. Am I missing anything or are there charges I am not aware of? I surely don't want any surprises...that my wife will let me know about for the entire 2 years of service. Also the agent informed me that up to 6 recvrs can be installed on one dish (6 standard I assume knowing that the Hd takes 2 cables). Thanks for any and all information. JO

2007-08-30, 12:22 AM	#2
haystack Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,113	hi john You only get 3 receivers the hdpvr rec counts as two. You get two remotes one for 1st hdtv rec and a wire going to a 2nd sdtv with the other remote that can work through walls and operates a tuner on the hdtv rec for your 2nd sdtv . 3rd tv is the sdpvr receiver, 4tv sdtv receiver. you can only rent 4 tuners hd counts as two. To get 6 you must buy at least buy 2 of them. Some subs have no surprises others have lots. Ya pays your money and takes your chances good luck! Get some plates for the wall and ask the installer to use them. Last edited by haystack; 2007-08-30 at 12:33 AM.

2007-08-30, 06:46 AM	#4
JohnOchen Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 42	So that means.. Ok since this gets more confusing let me describe what we want to do. 4 tvs in total are going to be connected. And I want to be sure that one tv in my wife's sitting room has the S video and audio cables connected for best sound and the HDTV in the living room is also connected to the box via audio cables and HDMI or if that capability is not in the box then DVI or S video. So it boils down to .. TV in kitchen....connected back to HDTV (not PVR) box TV in living room....connected to same HDTV box TV in sitting room....connected to PVR standard box TV in bedroom....connected to standard box Is that right and there is no additional charge since this counts as 4 boxes? Also (if I read Haystack correctly) can the second tv connected to the HDTV box watch a different channel...IOW are there 2 tuners in the HDTV box? Thanks again.. JO Last edited by JohnOchen; 2007-08-30 at 07:01 AM.

2007-08-30, 07:17 PM	#14
JohnOchen Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 42	Thanks again! Thanks for all the great information I appreciate it a lot! And thanks for all the tips, it is going to make the install a lot smoother. PS

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2007-08-30, 12:41 AM	#3
I_Want_My_HDTV . Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, ON Posts: 6,297	IIRC, the first receiver installation is free and the others are $50 each. That may be different for rentals. I guess you will find out when the installer arrives. If I were you, I would get a 9200 instead of the 6100 and 5900. 9200 rental is $20 vs the $10 + $10 you will be paying for the 6100 and the 5900 PVR. The 9200 PVR allows HD recording, has twice the disk space of the 5900 and the recorded material can be accessed from two TVs independently with 2 remotes. (The 9200 beats a 6100 + 5900 hands down and I should know because I went that route and upgraded to a 9200.) With a splitter, the 9200 can even feed 1 HDTV plus 3 SD TVs, though not independently for the SDTVs. The feed from the 9200 to the second TV is free.

2007-08-30, 08:02 AM	#5
dosborne Veteran Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ottawa, ON - Sharp Aquos 52" LCD - Bell 9200, 4x5900, 3x3100, E50 DVD-R, Harmony 880, Garmin C550 Posts: 2,814	What they are suggesting is that instead of the 6100 HDTV reciever and the 5900 SD PVR that you get a 9200 HDTV PVR which has 2 tuners, more record time capacity and will run 2 TVs (one HD TV and one SD TV - can be run so that each can watch their own live channels or recorded show - also comes with 2 remotes). Check the forums for more info on the 9200 or go to the bell site.

2007-08-30, 12:37 PM	#7
JohnOchen Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 42	Thanks for the reply and I believe you read my post spot on. My wife has no need of an HD RVR and I don't want to use the box on one set, PVR or not, because she wants it as simple to use as possible...trust me on this one. It looks pretty straight forward then. We will have an HD (no PVR) box in the living room. A standard PVR receiver in my wife's sitting room where she can record her shows and movies. One standard in the kitchen and one standard in the bedroom. Actually even though there is no cable charge anymore 150' should do it. In order to make it as painless as possible for the installer, some of the cable goes through a crawlspace and some through a portion of the attic. I am going to feed that cable for him/her. All he/she has to do is drill a couple of holes on the exterior of the house and feed the cable to me and I can feed it to the rooms for the final connection. I am in the service business and crawlspaces and attics are not where most installers want to be. This should make it simple and easy for the installer. Thanks to evryone for the great replies, I am much better informed at this point. And yes it is a 2 year rental agreement. JO

2007-08-30, 12:50 PM	#8
haystack Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,113	Your going to make an installer happy by doing the crawlspace and addict for him, don't forget the face plates you cannot put them on after without striping the end of your cable and you need a tool to do that.

2007-08-30, 02:07 PM	#9
Nimiq 1 __________ Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,225	haystack you are correct this is going to be one happy installer. JohnOchen, if you were in my area, the Tech would provide you the Wallplates, it is a small Customer Service that we ask our Guys to provide. If you do not have the Wallplates to hand at installation time, just ask the Installer to leave a connection at the point where the Wallplate will be, he will then provide you with an F81 (Barrel Connector) for the connection, this can be used in the Wallplate when you get it. The advantage is that the F81 will be, or should be, 2 Ghz or higher which is the correct rating for this piece. The ones fitted in most Wallplates do not pass 1 Ghz.......

2007-08-30, 02:44 PM	#10
notsure Veteran Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ottawa, ON; OTA, XBMC, ATV Posts: 1,609	Nimiq 1; you have the completely wrong attitude to be associated with BEV. Are you sure you somehow work with/for them???

2007-08-30, 04:11 PM	#11
i hate tv Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,317	My 2 cents Even though your wife wants it a simple as possible, I would still go with the 9200 It is NOT complicated at all If she doesnt want to use the PVR functions, she doesnt have to The remotes look almost identical (PVR to standard) button configuration wise The cost to rent a 9200 = $20 a month and can provide signal to 2 seperate locations, both watching different channels at the same time Or, you can rent a 6100 = $10 + 5900 = $10 and watch seperate programs on 2 TV's The same price, but you lose the ability to record in HD (Believe me, its worth it!) Its your call, but I would strongly recommend you upgrading to the 9200, you will NOT be disappointed (and your wife will thank you later too! ) Good Luck

2007-08-30, 07:26 PM	#15
I_Want_My_HDTV . Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, ON Posts: 6,297	My original advice stands. Get a 9200 HD PVR instead of the HD receiver + PVR. The cost is the same but it is much better value for the money, especially for the HDTV. Hook the 9200 directly to the HDTV and the RF out to the TV that was to get the 5900. The RF quality of the 9200 is very good, about as good as S-video from the 5900. It is costly to upgrade receivers after the fact so you are basically stuck with what you activate unless you want to pay the upgrade fees and more per month for the receivers. After you see the 5900 in action, you will want an HD PVR (9200) too.