1 in 5 Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth. This explains a lot

[jacksparrow]

For the democratic process to run properly it necessitates the voter to have some knowledge of what he is voting on. Sadly, that isn ’t how many American vote, as is obvious when during an election year people are talking about whether or not someone “looks presidential” and whether the person looks “likeable”

Source: http://www.eightballmagazine.com/dia...02/034/708.htm

[HT gearhead]

Too funny, thing is the whole sun orbiting the earth theory is nowhere to be found in any bible but the atheists for some reason all believe this to be the case. Goes to show what happens when you don't look for the facts yourself but prefer to go along with the crowd's uneducated opinion. It was the great thinker Ptolemy revered by many that first made up the theory as well as other "Great Thinkers" of their times. I challenge anyone to show me where in the bible it says the sun revolves around the earth.

http://obs.nineplanets.org/psc/theman.html

Ptolemy synthesized and extended Hipparchus's system of epicycles and eccentric circles to explain his geocentric theory of the solar system. Ptolemy's system involved at least 80 epicycles to explain the motions of the Sun, the Moon, and the five planets known in his time. He believed the planets and sun to orbit the Earth in the order Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn . This system became known as the Ptolemaic system.

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/lin...aristotle.html

http://http://www.windows.ucar.edu/t...ipparchus.html

Chew on that for awhile boys and girls.

[Tom_Joad]

No, the concept of a geocentric earth is to blame. It was the Church's inability to comprehend that the Earth was not the center of the universe and that everything did not revolve around Man that caused all the trouble, and this concept is clearly implied in many biblical verses (source):

Psalm 93 states that "the world is firmly established; it cannot be moved".

Joshua 10:12-13 states that God makes 'the sun stand still'. We now know that it is the Earth's movement that creates the cycle of day and night, not the sun's. The Christians, however, couldn't accept this because if the Earth orbited the sun, how could Jehovah have granted the request to make the sun stand still?

2 Kings 20:11 provides another example when Isaiah called on the obedient Jehovah to move the sun backwards. This would have upset all the sundials and timekeepers of the world; yet no one else notices apart from Hezekiah. The writer of Kings clearly didn't understand astronomy...if the story is at all true, it was Hezekiah who was tricked rather than that the whole world didn't notice such a miraculous event as the direction of the Earth's spin changing and the passage of the day reversing itself for a while.

Isaiah 38:8 tells a strangely familiar tale with slightly different details.

Isaiah 30:26 tells us that one day the light of the moon shall 'be as' the light of the sun. But we now know that the moon reflects the sun's light, so it has always been the same!

There might not be an exact verse where it says "the sun revolves around the earth" but a universe with Man at the center of God's focus is clearly implied throughout, which is exactly what troubled the Church elders when science challenged and completely dispelled that notion.

Originally Posted by HT gearhead

Goes to show what happens when you don't look for the facts yourself but prefer to go along with the crowd's uneducated opinion.

You've just described the typical religious follower.

[eljay]

The Bible doesn't specifically mention a geocentric universe, but it alludes to it in numerous and typically-vague ways. Not surprising, since early knowledge was even more rudimentary and "mystical" than the knowledge that followed it.

Not surprising, either, that early thinkers conceived of the same geocentric idea, since it was all that they, too, could observe. The difference is that they attempted to advance more "detailed" explanations.

They got it wrong, to be sure; but, then, so did "god".

[que3jxp]

Tom, those verses CLEARLY cover events where God intervened for a TIME and NOT for EVER.

The only judeo-christian group reponsible for the continuance of the Earth-centric system was the RCC. So far that they locked Gallileo in a tower!!!

Back on topic...

Yes, Jack, the Americans are "dumb" about politics. And us Canadians are SOOOOO smrt by having re-elected the liberals for 13 years even though they BLATANTLY lied to us SOOOO many times.

Like the line from MiB goes: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.

Politicians are practically sanctioned sociopaths and we are, for the most part, their hapless victims. They find a way to whip us into a calculated furvor to suit their needs and then that is that. They have us.

[jacksparrow]

utter rubbish......like I said please don't send me pms again, if you don't like the thread, ignore it, that right you do have, so use it

[que3jxp]

Jack, that PM was just a general RANDOM thought. I was not singling out any specific thread.

And by the way, I love the thought that went into your retort.

[HT gearhead]

Using an atheist web site to defend your case against the bible instead of looking into it for yourself with your own eyes. I can just as easily take any quotes from the bible, cut and paste to a web site and make them sound as out of whack as any atheist can. Hell, I can just as easily take the theory of evolution and turn it upside down and publish my 'facts' on the internet too. The only implication of geocentric universes in the bible are by the reader, not the author. If you reread my post I said BIBLE, not CHURCHES, there is a difference. Take an ancient text, translate it into a modern language and you lose some of the meaning intended by the author. You don't even need that example. You can just as easily take a modern day french novel and translate it into english and still miss the intended interpretation the author wanted. As for catholic,protestant,etc church doctrines I put as much validity into them as you do Tom. Church dogma and scripture don't always agree with each other and that's probably the biggest reason for the confusion by many people, theists and atheists alike.

[Tom_Joad]

My only intention was to try and show why some of the early Church leaders might have assumed that God created the universe around Man. I'm no expert on the Bible, and certainly not the original untranslated texts, but I do think their assumption was influenced by scripture. Not to mention profound ignorance.

[HT gearhead]

Well Tommy my boy we finally agree.

It's ironic how organized religion has done more to discredit the supreme intelligence theory than the evolutionists ever could.