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Join Date: Mar 2006
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here's what I'll be writing Canadian HQ for Bestbuy/Futureshop, and a varient of this to each store manager that I'm able.
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Great letter Blake, and just a tip: I would insert a new Paragraph 1 that is directly about FS/BB that gives an introductory overview (not very detailed) about why your letter is directly important to them. If you slip in something about how this could pick up their sales figures or get more customers in the door they'll definitely read more carefully. Then just add a paragraph later in the letter that spells out those ideas a bit more. In each version of the letter that you send, replace "retailer" with Future Shop, Best Buy, The Source, Wal-Mart, etc. as appropriate.
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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I might get flamed mightily for this since everyone here is so pro-OTA. But here is my opinion on this letter.
Your letter is too long. It meanders about and does not get to the point quickly enough. What is your point exactly? I'm struggling to find it quickly. Bottom line, how is selling OTA at Bestbuy/Futureshop going to help them make more money? They do not give a hoot about the state of OTA in Canada. They do not care about how OTA is lagging behind the States. They do not care no specific date has been set to shutdown OTA analog in Canada. They just won't care and I don't blame them. They want to know: - Profit potential? (what type of margins are they going to make?) - Market size? (how many customers will find this useful?) - Market penetration/saturation? - Market demand? - Market growth rate? - Market distribution? (Toronto? And where else really right now? That is a single small market. Bestbuy markets nationally - they offer a homogenous product in all stores. Selling OTA in Toronto only is not going to work for them.) - Oh yes, I'll just say profit potential again. It is not their resposibility to evangelize OTA. (That would cost a lot of money.) They are already selling a lot of HD capable equipment. The bottom line is how much more HD equipment will they actually sell if they start marketing OTA? Is it enough to justify the cost and effort? Letters like the above do not spin things in a way that speaks to their corporate values and responsibilities. (Profit, market share.) While they may seem cold-hearted, their final responsibility is to their shareholders. Despite what many think, these organizations are actually usually run by pretty smart people. They are not stupid, and will actually address a market segment if it makes sound business sense. If you can provide them with information to build a business case then that helps them. Unfortunately, letters like the one above will just end in a trash can very, very quickly. I hate seeming so negative as I think OTA digital is awesome, and I encourage my friends to try it out. And I help out my friends one by one to get them setup. That is the only way to really make the market grow to the point where you might get a major like Bestbuy interested. Cheers. |
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Don't worry, we don't flame here.
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I cant say anything about Calgary, never visited there, but did hear it is sort of in the technological backwaters electronically speaking
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But you are right, you guys are so lucky to live in the most technologically advanced area of Canada - you have 3 OTA Canadian stations (all 60 of you owners of digital OTA receivers), and North America's first DAB radio stations - all 3 DAB listeners are also members of this forum |
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Canadian areas with OTA DT are almost always the ones with direct access to U.S. airwaves. That's the geographical reality of the situation. Calgary is a looooong way from any Montana OTA stations, so what can you do? Watch DT on Shaw, BEV or SC. 'Nuff said.
Arthur, look at the map and decide whether the areas outside the red circles would make up 8 to 10 million people. If so (and I'm positive its true) then you can surmise like so many others have that about 70% of Canadians have access to DT OTA in varying signal levels for which reception gear is available. |
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OK, you say 70, I say 40, but whatever the real number is, if it ain't close to 100%, FutureShop and the rest cannot advertise that OTA HDTV is available on national scale (which is how the topic started). Let alone Canadian OTA.
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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You're right about my letter, it is long, and I don't get to the point quick enough. I haven't sent that letter to anyone yet, I just wanted to post it here and get some feedback on it. Thank you for that. I will be editing it before I send it out.
With regards to recent posts, I'd say that without major retailers behind OTA, Canada will never get 40%-70%+ (whatever you think it is) population saturation. It's the chicken and egg scenario. Only here it's DT stations, retailers, viewers/consumers (depending on your point of view). Stations want DT viewers to justify costs of going DT. Viewers want HD but don't know about the best and cheapest kind, DTV. And in the middle you've got retailers only selling HD cable and HD satellite. Viewers don't know about DTV because stations don't plug the fact that they're DT, and retailers don't promote DTV as a way to get HD. Which reduces the number of DT viewers. Which reduces the station's desire/speed/plans to go DT. As for profitability, you only need to look as far as Stampeder's "how much did you spend on OTA" poll. Even with the majority of the HD market in the dark, the small group of who know of DTV and have DTV have forked out big bucks on their OTA setups. Why? It's the never-ending drive to pull in distant signals, and to get them stronger than before. Heh, it's kind like computer gamers. What's fast today is slow tomorrow, and it drives the desire to upgrade (shelling out big coin to stay current). And that poll only counts STBs, antennas, mounts, and cables. If he were to count TV's with built in ATSC tuners, it would be huge (not that you'd want to upgrade your tv as often as other OTA equipment). When I bought my $4000 HDTV from futureshop, they didn't tell me about my TV's ATSC tuner ('tho I knew all about it), or didn't try to up-sell me an antenna. I later told them what I plan to do to get HD and they looked at me like I had three eyes, claiming Vancouver didn't have DT stations yet (this was Dec '05).
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Thanks BlakeW for being sporting about the constructive criticism, and great that you've had personal experience with FS/BB to throw back at them if you need...
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I'm just passing along that the Senate's Transport and Communications Committee is another target for sending letters about OTA. Keep in mind that Senate Reports tend to get publicity, if not always some action:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/Committ...s=1&comm_id=19 |
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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well I sent out my revised letter to BestBuy / Futureshop CHQ last week. Today I walked to the downtown Futureshop, and educated a home theater salesmen about DTV. He now knows about it, but I think he's still a skeptic. He needs to see it to believe it, I think. Before leaving I asked him to tell his department manager, if not store manager about what I told him. If he does or doesn't, I'm going to go there with antenna and cable in hand and hopefully I'll get 60%+ indoors. I won't leave until I convert the whole sales staff. However, I need to pick a good time to demo it, I want a time when something on CBC or CTV is in HD, so they're blown away with its digital "free"ness.
He first thought I was talking about DirectTV. Then thought that DTV was only for the US. Then he said, why would we want to demo that, when we're trying to make money on HD cable and HD sat boxes? I told asked him, do you work for Shaw, Bell or Star Choice? He said no. I felt I might have been a bit harsh, catching him in his ways, so I took it down a notch and said, I don't mean to chew your ass, I used to work for Futureshop myself, I know you get good GM from them. But brought it around by saying, you sell TVs with ATSC tuners, you owe it to your customers to inform them about their TVs full value. He agreed.
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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I totally agree there is a real misunderstanding about OTA and HD!
I have seen with the few people I have influenced in the last year and the ones that I have not it is an uphill battle! In one case... I gave a colleage an old pair of rabbit ears... and he got 3 channels with his built in ATSC Tuner.... He was WOW'd... when to BB/FS cannot remember which one and bought a HDTV indoor antenna??? HE said the salesmen told him this is exactly what he needed.... So I talked to him some more and got him to return and to buy a CM4221 from Yaamon. Then he was wow'd again... Just leaning it up in a wall in the house he was up to like 9 channels! Now he was done... he arranged to have it installed properly outdoors and said he was up to 22 channels(now down to about 19) He is completely sold on it now! I have tried to tell others.. some are willing to try... others need to be convinced with their own eyes! I know with my wifes cousin he was an early adopter of a DLP sammy a few years back.... he has only watched SD on it. HE believes that he will only get HD with cable. I tried to convince him I have since recieved my HD set with builting ATSC tuner... so I think he is going to be floored. His brother has been over since I got the set... he too was an early adopter... now he even wants to buy another set like mine. Since he does not have an ATSC tuner he is not completely sold on OTA for himself. I think what I have learned through all this... Is that people really need to be shown what they can get... no one is showing them in Stores... So this is kind of like tell two friiends who tell two friends etc.... escept it is show two friends and they can show two friends etc... This is they way I am trying to influence the people around me that I know... by showing them what is possible. |
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