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Old 2006-01-06, 11:14 AM   #16
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The hot tub comes standard with a goog quality cover, gas shock pro lifter, corona discharge Ozonator, 2 jet pumps,one circulation pump, syntetic surrounds, 36" syntetic steps,led lighting , water fall,chemicals and delivery and setup.

Heres a link to the tub,
http://products.jacuzzi.com/nd/jpmv2...PG=J-355&PAGE=

I think im going to ask for 2 extra filters, full width steps(wood ones they are trying to clear out), and 2 bath robes. We are planning on get a tub they have in stock so its already $500 cheaper too.

Ill post my final results tonight after I make the purchase.
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Old 2006-01-06, 11:24 AM   #17
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Since you haven't purchased, let me throw my advice out one more time. Think twice about the ozonator.

Here is a bulletin from the California Air Resources Board. This article is about Indoor Ozone Generators but you get the idea. (BTW: NEVER get an indoor hot tub with an ozonator because it has the same effect as an "Air Purifying" Machines indoors)

Some will argue that the Ozone from the ozonator will be dissapated because you're outdoors, however, your nose is right above the waterline, especially on a cold night, so you're breathing in a chemical which is considered a major component of smog.

Hot tubs with ozonators are considered a real no-no for asthmatics so if you have friends over who might have some respiratory issues, please let them know.

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ARB Warns, Danger from Popular "Air Purifying" Machines

By: California Air Resources Board
Published: Jan 21, 2005


Today, the California Air Resources Board (ARB) heard evidence revealing the unrecognized danger from indoor air purifiers known as ozone generators. Sold as indoor air cleaners, indoor air purifiers, and personal air purifiers, they intentionally emit large amounts of ozone, a criteria air pollutant, purportedly to clean the air.

"These machines are insidious. Marketed as a strong defense against indoor air pollution, they emit ozone, the same chemical that the ARB and the USEPA (U.S. Environmental Protection Agency) have been trying to eliminate from our air for decades," said acting ARB Chairperson Barbara Riordan. "More chilling is that some people susceptible to the ill effects of ozone will eagerly bring these Trojan horses home."

In a update of health research to Board members, ARB staff reported the results from multiple studies of ozone generating machines. These devices sold as indoor air cleaners, indoor air purifiers, and personal air purifiers, purposely emit ozone, the major component of smog, to clean the air. One study, conducted by the USEPA, ran an ozone generator in a test home at its maximum setting. When the room's air was sampled, ozone levels were found exceeding 0.3 parts per million (ppm), and an adjacent room's levels exceeded 0.2 ppm. This level is equal to a stage one smog alert when local air pollution control districts advise the public to avoid some outdoor activities. These readings far exceed the state's ambient one-hour standard for ozone of 0.09 ppm, and any recently observed outdoor peak levels in California. At the machine's medium setting, even with the home's central fan turned on, ozone levels still exceeded the state standard. These findings force the Board to recommend the public avoid using these devices.

ARB scientists expressed concern, since some manufacturers aggressively market these products to individuals with asthma and other respiratory and health problems. Ozone can damage the cells lining nasal passages and lungs making it difficult to breathe and can exacerbate asthma symptoms. At the ozone levels noted above, some people
would experience reductions in lung function, particularly if they engage in significant indoor activity (ie., housework, use of exercise equipment, children in active play), as well as symptoms such as pain on deep breath, cough and chest tightness. Elevated ozone levels can also damage household materials, such as carpeting and paint, as well as react indoors to form increased levels of formaldehyde and ultra-fine particulate matter; with their compounding negative health effects. If a family were to leave these machines on constantly, it would be as though the family lived in a 24 hour/seven day a week stage-one smog alert.

With public concern about indoor air quality rising, advertising and sales of these devices is increasing. Manufacturers often falsely claim that these devices eliminate bacteria, mold, and chemical contaminants from the air, and that they help persons with asthma and allergies. Independent studies by the USEPA, the Consumers Union, and others have shown that these devices do not effectively destroy microbes, remove odor sources, or reduce indoor pollutants enough to provide any health benefits. Ozone masks the odor of other indoor pollutants by deadening the sense of smell. Although ozone is used effectively in water to destroy microbes, ozone in air must reach extremely hazardous levels (50-100 times the outdoor air quality standards) to effectively kill microbes.

The ARB and a handful of other state and federal agencies have taken actions in an attempt to address this health issue. However, no agency has clear authority to control ozone emissions from devices, and actions to date have not been effective in addressing this problem. For more information on air purifiers see the ARB website here.

The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB's mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards.
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Old 2006-01-06, 12:08 PM   #18
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Breathing steamy chlorine or bromine gasses is also not good for you or the environment.....choose your poison......
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Old 2006-01-06, 12:21 PM   #19
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my two cents:

I like to be informed and from my research when I bought a tub I found that Ozonators have a large margin hence why hot tub retailers push them hard and in a properly maintained tub the chemical saving is not that significant.

Anyway what I've read, I wouldn't go near anything that generates ozone.
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Old 2006-01-06, 01:06 PM   #20
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Hi,

I don't live in Calgary so I gain nothing by this.

Jacuzzi is excellent value. It is definitly more money then Artic, Beachcomber and other Canadian - made models, but you get so much more. I dont mean just features as well, I mean the quality of build and the awesome support from not just the dealer (wich I have heard is getting rave reviews, we have the same rep) but by Jacuzzi as well. Example: Jacuzzi is the parent company of Sundance Spas, back in the mid 90's there was a dealer in our area that was the typical used car high pressure sales guys. The second they got their money the service was gone. Needles to say they went out of business. They actually started to manufacturer spas - no I won't tell you which ones.

Anyways, I get a phone call from one of there old clients. There spa is out of warranty and leaks very bad. The entire spa industry had a bad "batch" of glue in part of 1995. Problem is the leaks didnt start till after warrantys ran out. What Sundance (AKA Jacuzzi) did was started offering people prices way below dealer cost for new spas. Prices that were below even what a dealer would pay for a personal tub (wich we are only allowed 1 a year).

They do everything to take care of the customer.

I used to sell Beachcomber. some facts about them. This year the entire line up changes. EVERYTHING about the spa is different. You can take that as a good or bad I guess. Also, they use a outside company for warranty. If you have a good dealer then this shouldnt bother the consumer much. If you have a lazy dealer that deleys processing warranties then comes back at you saying it was denied - then worry. Currenty we are covering all warranty costs for all of our beachcombers that are still covered. The pain with dealing with the outside company is not worth it, unless it is a big bill.

As for Artic, my mother said I should say nothing at all


And as for all spas: Probably the only thing made in Canada is the cover. all the controls and parts would be shipped in from over seas, or the US. It's just the way it is. Almost every thing that says it is MADE IN CANADA, is simply assembled in Canada.

My best advice would be to test soak as many spas as you can. but pay attention to how well the dealer knows his/her own spa and not the competition. I find thats a good way to tell if your dealing with someone genuine or someone that is constantly bashing the competitor to make theres look good.

Sorry I rambled and now I'm late for work.

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PS www.crystalview.ca is our website and I have a forum setup if you have more questions. Ther is no one on it yet... but it is set up. lol
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Old 2006-01-06, 01:16 PM   #21
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Also all spas can be installed on a stone dust base, or concrete pads, or concrete squares. as long as it is flat and level. FLAT being the key word.

Ozone:

A good ozone settup should have 99% of the gas depleted before it hits the surface. Ask about how the ozone contact is done.

Ozone is available as a CD (Corona Discharge system - A little lightning bolt in a box) or UV bulb. IF you are worried about Ozone try a UV Sterilizer. they are a bout 2 - 3 times the cost though, but work great. They are perfect for those who "forget to check the chemicals" for acouple of weeks kinda of people.

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Old 2006-01-08, 09:39 PM   #22
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I did a bunch more research and I feel that the trade off for chemical levels vs the risk of ozone is well worth it. I have read several articles about the actuall ozone levels and it is about 1/3 less than is in the air we breath every day.
I have built a raised gravel pad for the hot tub over this weekend and im pretty happy with the results.
The tub comes on the 17th so only 9 more days! Hopefully it gets colder by they so we can really enjoy it, and I really really want to snow I can go spend the day skiing then come home and relax.

Thanks for all the advice guys.
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Old 2006-01-20, 01:39 PM   #23
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Just thought Id do an update post about the issue Hugh had raised about Ozonators. After the install of my tub was done I asked the installer about ozone and what he told me was it was still unclear if it was 100% safe to be in a tub with contiuous ozone running so what Jacuzzi has choosen to do with their systems is make the Ozonator ONLY run when the main pumps are off. As most people wont use a tub with NO jets/pumps on this is a very good solution to a possible issue. You still get the full benifit of cleaner safer water but without possible side effects risks.

Ps the J355 is one KICK ASS tub! spent 2 nights in it now and im 100% happy with the purchase! If anyone in Calgary is reading these posts and decide to go look at Jacuzzi brand tubs if you send me a pm ill give you my name and if you decide to do a purchase and mention you were reffered then you get bit of a discount and I get a small gift too.

For the install even the store owner came out to make sure things went smoothly! Great service from these guys!
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Old 2006-01-20, 02:02 PM   #24
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Ps the J355 is one KICK ASS tub! spent 2 nights in it now and im 100% happy with the purchase! If anyone in Calgary is reading these posts and decide to go look at Jacuzzi brand tubs if you send me a pm ill give you my name and if you decide to do a purchase and mention you were reffered then you get bit of a discount and I get a small gift too.

For the install even the store owner came out to make sure things went smoothly! Great service from these guys!

Good choice in model. what colours did you get?

I have heard great things about this dealer
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Jacuzzi and Sundance also have a mixing chamber in the tub were 99% of the ozone is "used" up before it hits the surface.
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Old 2006-01-20, 02:38 PM   #26
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he told me was it was still unclear if it was 100% safe to be in a tub with contiuous ozone running so what Jacuzzi has choosen to do with their systems is make the Ozonator ONLY run when the main pumps are off. As most people wont use a tub with NO jets/pumps on this is a very good solution to a possible issue. You still get the full benifit of cleaner safer water but without possible side effects risks.
Very practical solution.
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Old 2006-01-21, 01:34 AM   #27
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Good choice in model. what colours did you get?

I have heard great things about this dealer
I went with a Platinum colour tub with the silverwood exterior. I liked the platinum because it does not look like your typical hot tub.
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Old 2007-08-01, 07:05 PM   #28
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Ctown .. Hi there ... I am researching hot tubs and came across your old post. We are thinking about getting the J-365 model. I'm wondering how you've found it now that you've had it for a while. Has it been reliable? Can you give me an idea how much it costs to run (electrical, chemicals)?

Contrary to an earlier msg in this thread, I'm finding the Canadian tubs (Beachcomber, Arctic) to be significantly higher priced than Jacuzzi and Sundance. Maybe the stronger Cdn $ is why??
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Old 2007-08-03, 05:47 PM   #29
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Hey 4thought, I love the Jaccuzi tub. I do WISH I bought the J-365 instead however as I would rather have the extra seating over the lounger. Cost to run I would say about $30 per month in elec but thats an estimate. and chemicals I seem to spend about $60 every few months. Its actually quite inexpensive after you buy it and the pad and electric power to the tub.

I am not sure about the pricing but at the time there were better deals but I preffered the smooth texture of the Jaccuzi and the over all build quality.

The only issue I have had with mine was colouding a few times and thats just due to women with having several women with lots of lotion on.

If you do buy a tub keep and eye at Canadain tire for a subersible pump when they go on sale. Usually 50-60% off. Makes changing the water MUCH faster!

And buy Zorbies! (oil spunges)
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Thanks for the info!
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