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Rambler · 2009-10-10, 08:45 PM

tvlurker;
You are right there are no digital stations in Manitoba. I misread a post and assumed it was digital and not analog. There is hope for Winnipeg though, 18th of this month KNRR is supposed to start transmitting from Minot which is just outside the Canada border . . . . . sadly at 4kW only. I am building an antenna just for that station at channel 12. My build will be a yagi for 210Mhz.

tvlurker · 2009-10-12, 09:54 AM

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KNRR is supposed to start transmitting from Minot

I think you mean Pembina, not Minot.

bwalzer · 2009-10-15, 12:02 PM

KNRR is up and transmitting in digital. I am in the west end of Winnipeg. I see a signal quality of 54%. This is considered a marginal level by the people who make the receiver (hdhomerun) and sure enough I get dropouts at a rate of 2-4 per minute. It is fairly watchable. The antenna is a 10 element yagi cut for channel 12 at around 25 feet (8m). I am presently using some preamp bought from Radio Shack. Common internet wisdom led me to order a Channel Master 7778. I'll update my report when it gets here.

The actual SD only video quality is simply awful at the moment. They seem to be using something that deinterlaces an analog signal by skipping every second line. The result is quite "cheap webcam". Things only get better when they do their local news from the studio. I suspect (hope?) that more work will be done in the future. The snowy analog KNRR was actually better.

bwalzer · 2009-10-15, 12:15 PM

Ignore the comment about the crummy deinterlace from KNRR. That was on my end. So the thing I wait for is some kind of HD. Rumor has it that it could be a while...

jets1961 · 2009-10-16, 01:44 PM

So are you saying you ar getting KNRR Pembina? Chould you post a picture of your antenna and did you make it yourself? I am in the NE of Wpg, have been waiting to test anything.

Joe

bwalzer · 2009-10-17, 01:44 PM

As per request, here is a image of the antenna I am using;

These are a familiar sight to those who live in Manitoba. There was once a time when a lot of people were keen to receive KCND on channel 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCND-TV). They are still found on the occasional roof (usually with a bit of rotted twin lead). I suspect that there are a lot of these still to be found on the rafters of garages and could be obtained for the trouble of asking.

I have seen signal quality ranging from 48% (unusable) to 62% so far from KNRR here in the west end of Winnipeg. When it is good and the signal source is from the network the quality is excellent (speaking in SD terms). I still see a glitch from time to time even at the best signal quality seen. I now suspect impulse noise as previously experienced with the analog signal. The variation of signal quality was pretty much par for the course for the previous analog version. You still can see dual phased high gain channel 12 antennas on houses around Winnipeg on 30 foot pop up masts so i am guessing that there have always been bad days for this particular signal. Reliable reception of KCND was a big selling point for the earliest cable system in Winnipeg...

roger1818 · 2009-10-17, 03:19 PM

bwalzer, is it just me, or are you missing a director near the front of the antenna? The spacing between them seems odd.

Rambler · 2009-10-18, 03:45 PM

tvlurker;
Yes it is Pembina and not Minot! For some reason I keep thinking Minot.

I have my antenna assembled. Now only putting it on the roof and trying it out remains. I hope KNRR boost their power and add sub-channels but I guess they need $$$$$ for that. Maybe by spreading the word that KNRR is up will generate some advertising dollars for them and that would get the ball rolling since the other stations don't seem interested. I read somewhere that they are not transmitting in HD yet any news on that?

cn hater · 2009-10-18, 04:08 PM

how can you put an antenna on a grain bin, run the cable to and into a house and keep it under 30 m. in length

downbeat · 2009-10-18, 04:29 PM

According to this FCC map ...
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/ma...signs/KNRR.gif
KNRR is authorized to transmit at 28.7 kW @ height of 413 m.
Is this info still accurate?

tvlurker · 2009-10-18, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Is this info still accurate?

No, it has been superseded by http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state...&slon2=&size=9.
Under FCC rules, though, they still retain the right to apply for 28 kW later on, should they wish too.

2009-10-15, 12:02 PM	#183
bwalzer Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3	Digital TV signal seen in southern Manitoba KNRR is up and transmitting in digital. I am in the west end of Winnipeg. I see a signal quality of 54%. This is considered a marginal level by the people who make the receiver (hdhomerun) and sure enough I get dropouts at a rate of 2-4 per minute. It is fairly watchable. The antenna is a 10 element yagi cut for channel 12 at around 25 feet (8m). I am presently using some preamp bought from Radio Shack. Common internet wisdom led me to order a Channel Master 7778. I'll update my report when it gets here. The actual SD only video quality is simply awful at the moment. They seem to be using something that deinterlaces an analog signal by skipping every second line. The result is quite "cheap webcam". Things only get better when they do their local news from the studio. I suspect (hope?) that more work will be done in the future. The snowy analog KNRR was actually better.

2009-10-17, 01:44 PM	#186
bwalzer Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3	Rxing KNRR in southern manitoba... As per request, here is a image of the antenna I am using; These are a familiar sight to those who live in Manitoba. There was once a time when a lot of people were keen to receive KCND on channel 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCND-TV). They are still found on the occasional roof (usually with a bit of rotted twin lead). I suspect that there are a lot of these still to be found on the rafters of garages and could be obtained for the trouble of asking. I have seen signal quality ranging from 48% (unusable) to 62% so far from KNRR here in the west end of Winnipeg. When it is good and the signal source is from the network the quality is excellent (speaking in SD terms). I still see a glitch from time to time even at the best signal quality seen. I now suspect impulse noise as previously experienced with the analog signal. The variation of signal quality was pretty much par for the course for the previous analog version. You still can see dual phased high gain channel 12 antennas on houses around Winnipeg on 30 foot pop up masts so i am guessing that there have always been bad days for this particular signal. Reliable reception of KCND was a big selling point for the earliest cable system in Winnipeg...

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2009-10-10, 08:45 PM	#181
Rambler Rookie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Winnipeg MB Posts: 9	tvlurker; You are right there are no digital stations in Manitoba. I misread a post and assumed it was digital and not analog. There is hope for Winnipeg though, 18th of this month KNRR is supposed to start transmitting from Minot which is just outside the Canada border . . . . . sadly at 4kW only. I am building an antenna just for that station at channel 12. My build will be a yagi for 210Mhz.

2009-10-15, 12:15 PM	#184
bwalzer Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3	Ignore the comment about the crummy deinterlace from KNRR. That was on my end. So the thing I wait for is some kind of HD. Rumor has it that it could be a while...

2009-10-16, 01:44 PM	#185
jets1961 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3	So are you saying you ar getting KNRR Pembina? Chould you post a picture of your antenna and did you make it yourself? I am in the NE of Wpg, have been waiting to test anything. Joe

2009-10-17, 03:19 PM	#187
roger1818 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa (Stittsville), ON, OTA Analog (Radio Shack Omnidirectional Antenna in Attic) Posts: 2,187	bwalzer, is it just me, or are you missing a director near the front of the antenna? The spacing between them seems odd.

2009-10-18, 03:45 PM	#188
Rambler Rookie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Winnipeg MB Posts: 9	tvlurker; Yes it is Pembina and not Minot! For some reason I keep thinking Minot. I have my antenna assembled. Now only putting it on the roof and trying it out remains. I hope KNRR boost their power and add sub-channels but I guess they need $$$$$ for that. Maybe by spreading the word that KNRR is up will generate some advertising dollars for them and that would get the ball rolling since the other stations don't seem interested. I read somewhere that they are not transmitting in HD yet any news on that?

2009-10-18, 04:08 PM	#189
cn hater Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4	how can you put an antenna on a grain bin, run the cable to and into a house and keep it under 30 m. in length

2009-10-18, 04:29 PM	#190
downbeat Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary Posts: 175	According to this FCC map ... http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/ma...signs/KNRR.gif KNRR is authorized to transmit at 28.7 kW @ height of 413 m. Is this info still accurate?