The Official I Hate The CRTC Thread - Page 22 - Canadian TV, Computing and Home Theatre Forums

CrazyInSane · 2009-02-06, 01:15 AM

But the problem is that Canadian networks are not using simsubbing to increase Canadian content production whatsoever. In fact, one could argue that it has led to less Canadian productions over the years.

Our lazy networks just purchase cheap rights to US networks knowing full-well that mostly all cable/satellite subscribers will be forced to watch their network over the competing US provider, and then use most of the revenues to purchase more and more rights to US programs.

I'm not at all angry toward the CRTC for this mess—in my opinion their original intent with simultaneous substitution was indeed to encourage Canadian content production... but CTV and Global have f@#^ed that up royally. They ought to have their broadcast licensed revoked in my view. But since they won't, I'd be plenty satisfied if CRTC only allowed them 1 simsub hour per primetime viewing period (8 pm - 11 pm EST).

gretzky · 2009-02-06, 08:28 AM

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Because the Canadian networks would go out of business. You may or may not care about that.

I don't care it ain't my business and the CRTC gives them a mandate to do canadian tv if the owners of tv stations can't compete with other channels
(and bigger ones american ones and international ones) then it's just too bad for them.
everything here is a quality content issue and I don't think canadian tv is on the right way I really hope it would be

Classof83 · 2009-02-06, 09:28 AM

Please don't start with this cultural heritage stuff. Airing Tim Horton's ads during American Idol doesn't enhance me culturally whatsoever.

travisc · 2009-02-06, 01:45 PM

It's not my stuff. Someone asked why it is the way it is, and that's the answer. Buy into it if you want, rant about it if you want, doesn't really matter because it ain't gonna change.

bobancle · 2009-02-10, 12:43 AM

This evening the fine people at Shaw simsubbed an SD version of CSI Miami over the CBS HD signal from CBS Detroit. This practice should be illegal and there should be massive fines like in the tens of millions for this kind of mistake. The basic problem is there is no consequence when Shaw or BEV or whomever makes a simsub mistake so they do it constantly and don't seem to care. Until they are made to pay for their mistakes this will never change.

I don't see how they can do any simsubbing expect those that are broadcast in the local market which this was most definitely not.

I am filing a CRTC complaint for all the good that will do.

Gecko · 2009-02-10, 07:18 AM

moved wrong forum

DonR · 2009-02-10, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bobancle

This evening the fine people at Shaw simsubbed an SD version of CSI Miami over the CBS HD signal from CBS Detroit. This practice should be illegal and there should be massive fines like in the tens of millions for this kind of mistake. The basic problem is there is no consequence when Shaw or BEV or whomever makes a simsub mistake so they do it constantly and don't seem to care. Until they are made to pay for their mistakes this will never change.

I don't see how they can do any simsubbing expect those that are broadcast in the local market which this was most definitely not.

I am filing a CRTC complaint for all the good that will do.

And that is all we can do, keep on sending complaints to them. I've already done it 3 or 4 times, in regards to all kinds of ridiculous things I've seen, as a result of the stupid simsubbing (HD feed substituted with an SD, DD 5.1 sound downgraded to 2-channel sound, complete chunks of original programming overwritten by a wrong simsub, and most importantly considerably lower quality of both picture and sound).

As a lot of people here said, I don't care which commercials are on, US or Canadian. I'll fast forward through them in most cases, anyway. However, I do care about the quality of the TV signal I'm paying for. And simsubbing most definitely degrades the original US feed.

Joeskie · 2009-02-12, 04:13 PM

Superbowl was just wrong this year... inhumane. Nobody understood what was happening.

Classof83 · 2009-02-12, 05:50 PM

So I wrote into a local Global affiliate about them always interrupting American networks and not coming up with all their own shows (and I did not mention any specific dates or times or shows - but it was a general statement), and this was their response:

"The problem was with Shaw cable. Apparently a construction firm in Vancouver cut through their cable line. They have restored it to normal. We are sorry for the inconvenience."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I hope they weren't serious with this response.

CrazyInSane · 2009-02-12, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Classof83

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I hope they weren't serious with this response.

They are serious, trust me. I used to work at a call center and the vast amount of ignorance and idiocy astounded me. This is probably just a generic templated response regarding totally unrelated issue, and the CSR (customer service rep.) responding to you just skimmed quickly through your email and figured that's what you were talking about.

That's why any time I call a customer service center I demand to speak with the supervisor, because I usually get a different reply to the same question from any number of random CSRs I speak with.

Classof83 · 2009-02-15, 12:16 PM

Here's more responses I got when I called a customer service rep:

"Simultaneous substitution - I'm not sure what you are referring to."

"Well, Global and CBS are two different channels, so we can't put them overtop of one another, that is impossible."

"We don't broadcast anything, this is an issue with the channel. Maybe you can contact FOX directly."

meatbird · 2009-02-15, 01:42 PM

The CRTC is now looking at the internet..oh crap!!!!!!!

DonR · 2009-02-15, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by meatbird

The CRTC is now looking at the internet..oh crap!!!!!!!

What do they want to do with the Internet?

DonR · 2009-02-15, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Classof83

Here's more responses I got when I called a customer service rep:

"Simultaneous substitution - I'm not sure what you are referring to."

"Well, Global and CBS are two different channels, so we can't put them overtop of one another, that is impossible."

"We don't broadcast anything, this is an issue with the channel. Maybe you can contact FOX directly."

Yup, one gem after another. Lots of times I wonder if they are just ignorant, playing dumb, or just plain stupid. Most likely the combination of the three.

shabbs · 2009-02-15, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DonR

What do they want to do with the Internet?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...utsu-Ttr4k53Sg

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2009-02-06, 01:15 AM	#316
CrazyInSane Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Prince Edward Island — Shaw Direct (HD) Posts: 320	But the problem is that Canadian networks are not using simsubbing to increase Canadian content production whatsoever. In fact, one could argue that it has led to less Canadian productions over the years. Our lazy networks just purchase cheap rights to US networks knowing full-well that mostly all cable/satellite subscribers will be forced to watch their network over the competing US provider, and then use most of the revenues to purchase more and more rights to US programs. I'm not at all angry toward the CRTC for this mess—in my opinion their original intent with simultaneous substitution was indeed to encourage Canadian content production... but CTV and Global have f@#^ed that up royally. They ought to have their broadcast licensed revoked in my view. But since they won't, I'd be plenty satisfied if CRTC only allowed them 1 simsub hour per primetime viewing period (8 pm - 11 pm EST).

2009-02-06, 09:28 AM	#318
Classof83 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 882	Please don't start with this cultural heritage stuff. Airing Tim Horton's ads during American Idol doesn't enhance me culturally whatsoever.

2009-02-06, 01:45 PM	#319
travisc Veteran Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uxbridge, ON Posts: 3,588	It's not my stuff. Someone asked why it is the way it is, and that's the answer. Buy into it if you want, rant about it if you want, doesn't really matter because it ain't gonna change.

2009-02-10, 12:43 AM	#320
bobancle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Calgary Alberta Posts: 250	This evening the fine people at Shaw simsubbed an SD version of CSI Miami over the CBS HD signal from CBS Detroit. This practice should be illegal and there should be massive fines like in the tens of millions for this kind of mistake. The basic problem is there is no consequence when Shaw or BEV or whomever makes a simsub mistake so they do it constantly and don't seem to care. Until they are made to pay for their mistakes this will never change. I don't see how they can do any simsubbing expect those that are broadcast in the local market which this was most definitely not. I am filing a CRTC complaint for all the good that will do.

2009-02-12, 05:50 PM	#324
Classof83 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 882	So I wrote into a local Global affiliate about them always interrupting American networks and not coming up with all their own shows (and I did not mention any specific dates or times or shows - but it was a general statement), and this was their response: "The problem was with Shaw cable. Apparently a construction firm in Vancouver cut through their cable line. They have restored it to normal. We are sorry for the inconvenience." ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I hope they weren't serious with this response.

2009-02-15, 12:16 PM	#326
Classof83 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 882	Here's more responses I got when I called a customer service rep: "Simultaneous substitution - I'm not sure what you are referring to." "Well, Global and CBS are two different channels, so we can't put them overtop of one another, that is impossible." "We don't broadcast anything, this is an issue with the channel. Maybe you can contact FOX directly."

2009-02-15, 01:42 PM	#327
meatbird Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nanaimo BC Posts: 162	The CRTC is now looking at the internet..oh crap!!!!!!!