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Diamond · 2005-07-28, 01:00 PM

Windows Vista Beta 1 was just released to MSDN subscribers. I am in the process of downloading it now. It is 2.4G so must be put onto a DVD.

HammerJoe · 2005-07-28, 01:51 PM

2.4G what heck is in it for an OS???

Bloated crap no doubt

stampeder · 2005-07-28, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HammerJoe

2.4G what heck is in it for an OS???

And get this:...

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While the code also includes an early look at the new user-interface design, the majority of end-user features in Windows Vista will not be included until Beta 2.

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews...27_124905.html

lordshipmayhem · 2005-07-28, 06:53 PM

Incredible. Ballmer and Gates were saying you'd want to use it on a "modern" computer, I didn't realize they were talking about a Beowulf cluster...

Extreme · 2005-07-28, 07:31 PM

The total install is 4gb... its a duesy. However you dont need the computer to be screamming either... I have it running on a 3ghz cpmouter with onboard everything and it seems to be quite happy. although as with any MS product the more you throw at it the happier it will be.

lordshipmayhem · 2005-07-28, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Extreme

The total install is 4gb... its a duesy. However you dont need the computer to be screamming either... I have it running on a 3ghz cpmouter with onboard everything and it seems to be quite happy. although as with any MS product the more you throw at it the happier it will be.

Your post bring to mind my experiences of last weekend. I was trying to help a friend who thought his computer was quite up-to-date, despite not having been turned on for the past four years. It was a Pentium II with 64 mb and a 3 gig hard drive, and a thoroughly unpatched Win98. (Incidentally, it also "boasted" a dying motherboard that refused to recognize faxmodems or ethernet cards. To add to our fun, the BIOS kept resetting to the "default" settings, which didn't recognize the CD-ROM. Fun, that one. Even trying Damn Small Linux in the CD-ROM in Live mode, we still didn't have the silly ethernet card.) Resolution: his boss is talking about buying him a shiny new laptop. With WIndows, because he needs to interface with their accounting software.

Amazing to look back, even for those of us who like to stay near the "bleeding edge", and see just how much things have changed. WinV won't even fit on his hard drive, forget any applications, and at 64 megs, that's so not happening.

If it wasn't for his motherboard being completely borked, his current beast might be useful as a home network server, but right now it's scrap.

Diamond · 2005-07-29, 03:30 AM

After about a dozen attempts, I managed to get this pig installed. There is one file that is 800Meg and the setup has a very difficult time copying it from the CD to the temp directory. I installed it on a Dell 2.8Ghz laptop with 1G Ram. It took close to two hours to install and trust me, the setup program needs a lot of work. There is almost no indication as to what is happening on your system and many times you are not sure if it is even doing anything. One thing I did notice right away is that this is beta 1 is build 5112, not 5203 as has been reported all over the web. Also, beta one reports itself as Windows Vista, surprising considering it was just the other day they made that decision.

I will try a few things and let you know what I think.

rstratton · 2005-07-29, 09:23 AM

Interesting that the 64 bit Vista is only 1.77GB.

Phaedrus · 2005-07-29, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Diamond

After about a dozen attempts, I managed to get this pig installed. There is one file that is 800Meg and the setup has a very difficult time copying it from the CD to the temp directory. I installed it on a Dell 2.8Ghz laptop with 1G Ram. It took close to two hours to install and trust me, the setup program needs a lot of work. There is almost no indication as to what is happening on your system and many times you are not sure if it is even doing anything. One thing I did notice right away is that this is beta 1 is build 5112, not 5203 as has been reported all over the web. Also, beta one reports itself as Windows Vista, surprising considering it was just the other day they made that decision.

I will try a few things and let you know what I think.

Well, it was just the other day they "announced" the decision. I'm sure they decided on it quite some time ago.

I tried to install it but it blue screened my machine, before it really got started.

Cheers,
Ian

Diamond · 2005-07-29, 09:53 PM

Well, I'm not sure why all the hype over this OS. It looks a bit different but generally, everything is the same. Comes with IE7 which really needs some work. They put the address bar above the file menu?? They also added tab bars like firefox has but they put them up above the menu bar also, something that just looks wierd! When I installed Firefox, Windows Security tried to disable it because it said an unsafe program is running. I had to tell the Security Console the program was safe to run.

I had to turn the windows explorer into classic view because I couldn't stand the graphical view when you have a lot of files in a directory. I also could not figure out how to navigate in the folders?? The start menu has been changed and I'm not sure if there new design will work. Before, when you clicked on "All Programs" you would get a popup of all your programs and you selected the one you wanted. Now, everything trys to stay in the start bar frame and it looks really cluttered. Control Panel has been revamped and is well organized. They also revamped a lot of the administrator tools, the event viewer looks totally different.

I can't seem to print to my printer on my Windows 2003 Server so that needs to be fixed. It sees the printer and allows me to do everything but print to it.

It has not crashed yet and has been running for almost 24 hours. There are times it really slows down and you think it is hung. I tried to delete all the raw Windows Vista files and it took over 15 minutes just to delete them.

As I mentioned earlier, it took almost two hours to install and there are no indicators telling you what is going on, just a lot of hard drive activity. Once it was installed, it wasn't totally obvious how to log on with a network account or how to create a new account.

In general, unless Beta 2 introduces a lot of things that aren't currently in Beta 1, I will probably stick to XP.

CTVdude · 2005-07-29, 10:03 PM

Does anyone know why the 64bit version alot smaller then the 32 bit version?

32 bit = 2.47 GB
64 bit = 1.77 GB

Not that I would download a Beta version, but these are the numbers I found off Bit torent...

could it be that the 32 bit version has more built in junk that's not converted to 64bit yet?

rstratton · 2005-08-09, 01:06 AM

Diamond, I couldn't install a Windows 2003 network printer either, but then Vista eventually auto installed it. Strange.

harmer · 2005-08-18, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lordshipmayhem

Your post bring to mind my experiences of last weekend. I was trying to help a friend who thought his computer was quite up-to-date, despite not having been turned on for the past four years. It was a Pentium II with 64 mb and a 3 gig hard drive, and a thoroughly unpatched Win98. (Incidentally, it also "boasted" a dying motherboard that refused to recognize faxmodems or ethernet cards. To add to our fun, the BIOS kept resetting to the "default" settings, which didn't recognize the CD-ROM. Fun, that one. Even trying Damn Small Linux in the CD-ROM in Live mode, we still didn't have the silly ethernet card.) Resolution: his boss is talking about buying him a shiny new laptop. With WIndows, because he needs to interface with their accounting software.

Amazing to look back, even for those of us who like to stay near the "bleeding edge", and see just how much things have changed. WinV won't even fit on his hard drive, forget any applications, and at 64 megs, that's so not happening.

If it wasn't for his motherboard being completely borked, his current beast might be useful as a home network server, but right now it's scrap.

My current computer is a P2 266 with a 4.3 hard drive and 64 mb memory,
and Windows 98SE. Main problem is I partitioned the hard drive when I bought it in 97 and so I get the "out of memory" notice about 2 or 3 times a day. Otherwise it runs great. Guess I will have to get a new computer as there is no room to add any more programs, such as XP, let alone Vista.

lordshipmayhem · 2005-08-19, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by harmer

My current computer is a P2 266 with a 4.3 hard drive and 64 mb memory,
and Windows 98SE. Main problem is I partitioned the hard drive when I bought it in 97 and so I get the "out of memory" notice about 2 or 3 times a day. Otherwise it runs great. Guess I will have to get a new computer as there is no room to add any more programs, such as XP, let alone Vista.

That's enough of a Beast to run Linux with a lightweight GUI like IceWM. Before you turf your elderly P2, give it a whirl with something like the Mepis live distro, or Damn Small Linux. (You can download and burn an ISO off the internet. Live distros run off your CD drive, they only need to save a small setup file on your hard drive. Throw a CD of one of these distros in your CD-ROM drive, start the computer and in five minutes you've got yourself a Linux computer. Remove the CD and reboot, and it's back to a Windows box as if nothing happened.)

It won't be anything a gamer geek would drool over, but it'll surf the net safely, allowing you to get and send e-mails, and do some simple word processing. It makes for a nice safe computer for guests or non-gamer grandparents - or for young children before they're ready for an upgrade.

I've actually tried it out on a P2 with 64 mb, and even though I thought I knew what to expect, it was still startling to see how fast a Windows 98 computer suddenly started running a different OS.

I_Want_My_HDTV · 2005-08-30, 02:31 AM

I needed a cheap PC last year. Picked up a new 1.3 GHZ PIII and micro ATX mobo for about $100 and threw it in a $50 case with an old 256MB stick of RAM and used DVD-ROM drive. Everything else was on the mobo, used or off another PC. It runs a dedicated app on Linux from CD-ROM.

Last I heard, Master Gates expects everyone to buy next generation PCs for the next version of Windows. That probably means 64 bit processors, dual processor Pentiums, motherboards with PCI-2, terrabyte hard drives and multi-GBs of RAM. He probably expects all the hardware to be HDCP compliant soon as well. Just mail your checks to Master Gates, 1 M$ Way, ...

2005-07-28, 01:00 PM	#1
Diamond Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Calgary, Just outside of Canada! Posts: 841	Windows Vista Beta 1 Available Windows Vista Beta 1 was just released to MSDN subscribers. I am in the process of downloading it now. It is 2.4G so must be put onto a DVD. __________________ 5900 on Sony Trinton 24 inch 6100 on Samsung 53 DLP 9200 on Sony KV34XBR910

2005-07-29, 03:30 AM	#7
Diamond Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Calgary, Just outside of Canada! Posts: 841	After about a dozen attempts, I managed to get this pig installed. There is one file that is 800Meg and the setup has a very difficult time copying it from the CD to the temp directory. I installed it on a Dell 2.8Ghz laptop with 1G Ram. It took close to two hours to install and trust me, the setup program needs a lot of work. There is almost no indication as to what is happening on your system and many times you are not sure if it is even doing anything. One thing I did notice right away is that this is beta 1 is build 5112, not 5203 as has been reported all over the web. Also, beta one reports itself as Windows Vista, surprising considering it was just the other day they made that decision. I will try a few things and let you know what I think. __________________ 5900 on Sony Trinton 24 inch 6100 on Samsung 53 DLP 9200 on Sony KV34XBR910

2005-07-29, 09:53 PM	#10
Diamond Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Calgary, Just outside of Canada! Posts: 841	Well, I'm not sure why all the hype over this OS. It looks a bit different but generally, everything is the same. Comes with IE7 which really needs some work. They put the address bar above the file menu?? They also added tab bars like firefox has but they put them up above the menu bar also, something that just looks wierd! When I installed Firefox, Windows Security tried to disable it because it said an unsafe program is running. I had to tell the Security Console the program was safe to run. I had to turn the windows explorer into classic view because I couldn't stand the graphical view when you have a lot of files in a directory. I also could not figure out how to navigate in the folders?? The start menu has been changed and I'm not sure if there new design will work. Before, when you clicked on "All Programs" you would get a popup of all your programs and you selected the one you wanted. Now, everything trys to stay in the start bar frame and it looks really cluttered. Control Panel has been revamped and is well organized. They also revamped a lot of the administrator tools, the event viewer looks totally different. I can't seem to print to my printer on my Windows 2003 Server so that needs to be fixed. It sees the printer and allows me to do everything but print to it. It has not crashed yet and has been running for almost 24 hours. There are times it really slows down and you think it is hung. I tried to delete all the raw Windows Vista files and it took over 15 minutes just to delete them. As I mentioned earlier, it took almost two hours to install and there are no indicators telling you what is going on, just a lot of hard drive activity. Once it was installed, it wasn't totally obvious how to log on with a network account or how to create a new account. In general, unless Beta 2 introduces a lot of things that aren't currently in Beta 1, I will probably stick to XP. __________________ 5900 on Sony Trinton 24 inch 6100 on Samsung 53 DLP 9200 on Sony KV34XBR910

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2005-07-28, 01:51 PM	#2
HammerJoe Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Brunswick province of the poor Posts: 1,026	2.4G what heck is in it for an OS??? Bloated crap no doubt

2005-07-28, 06:53 PM	#4
lordshipmayhem Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 104	Incredible. Ballmer and Gates were saying you'd want to use it on a "modern" computer, I didn't realize they were talking about a Beowulf cluster...

2005-07-28, 07:31 PM	#5
Extreme Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 132	The total install is 4gb... its a duesy. However you dont need the computer to be screamming either... I have it running on a 3ghz cpmouter with onboard everything and it seems to be quite happy. although as with any MS product the more you throw at it the happier it will be.

2005-07-29, 09:23 AM	#8
rstratton Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 280	Interesting that the 64 bit Vista is only 1.77GB.

2005-07-29, 10:03 PM	#11
CTVdude Join Date: May 2005 Location: Agincourt (401-McCowan) Posts: 202	Does anyone know why the 64bit version alot smaller then the 32 bit version? 32 bit = 2.47 GB 64 bit = 1.77 GB Not that I would download a Beta version, but these are the numbers I found off Bit torent... could it be that the 32 bit version has more built in junk that's not converted to 64bit yet?

2005-08-09, 01:06 AM	#12
rstratton Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 280	Diamond, I couldn't install a Windows 2003 network printer either, but then Vista eventually auto installed it. Strange.

2005-08-30, 02:31 AM	#15
I_Want_My_HDTV . Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: London, ON Posts: 6,297	I needed a cheap PC last year. Picked up a new 1.3 GHZ PIII and micro ATX mobo for about $100 and threw it in a $50 case with an old 256MB stick of RAM and used DVD-ROM drive. Everything else was on the mobo, used or off another PC. It runs a dedicated app on Linux from CD-ROM. Last I heard, Master Gates expects everyone to buy next generation PCs for the next version of Windows. That probably means 64 bit processors, dual processor Pentiums, motherboards with PCI-2, terrabyte hard drives and multi-GBs of RAM. He probably expects all the hardware to be HDCP compliant soon as well. Just mail your checks to Master Gates, 1 M$ Way, ...