9200 / 9242 / 9241 Installation 101

[Spidinator]

I am building a new house where only satellite is available but I am having the house wired for CATV in the rare chance that one day we might get it out here. What I am wondering is if there is a way to hook up the 9200 to the cable box and have the signal run through to all the outlets in the house.

The electrician is a little unsure because of the dual feeds that it takes but i am thinking that you would need 2 inputs in the actual cable box and then 2 runs of cord to each cable outlet in the house to accomodate both feeds from the satellites. Then in the main room we could use the normal remote to watch tv and if we moved upstairs or down then we could use the uhf remote to watch the other tv. I am probably forgetting something here but and help would be appreciated.

Thanks

[North_of_Calgary]

The 9200 will output the TV2 signal on a channel of your choice through cable. So, if you had say basic cable, you might have cable channels 2-60 (just for example) and then the 9200 TV2 output on channel 68 (for example). So changing to the 9200 would just be a matter of putting the TV to channel 68.

Now if you're still building, what you should do is this:

- run 4 cables from the satellite dish location to the electrical pannel area (you really should have 4 runs for expansion, rather than just the two that are currently required if you only have a 9200)

- place your multi-switch inside in the electrical pannel area

- run 4 cables from the electrical pannel area to the primary TV area where you're going to put the 9200. The four required are: two for the incoming satellite feed, one for the outgoing TV2 signal (channel 68 in my example), and the final one for incoming CATV if you add that in the future. So really 3 are essential, but again 4 is recommended.

- In your electrical area, combine the output of the 9200 (i.e. channel 68) with the incoming CATV signal and distribute it to the rest of the house through the regular home wiring

So, no you don't need dual runs to each room like you suggested in your email. Instead, you're using your electrical pannel area as a patch pannel/distribution centre.

I've got that setup in my own house which I built myself in Calgary. It gives us tonnes of flexibility. Just follow the basic rule of 4 from dish to pannel, and 4 from pannel to main TV and you'll be in good shape.

Hopefully this is clear to you. If not, feel free to post an update or PM me directly. It's way easier to do this now - you don't want to be fishing wires through the wall of your brand new house just after moving in!!

[Ampler]

I'm in the middle of setting everything up right now. I went with Example #1. The DPP Twin LMB and the DPP separator are installed.

I ran into a small problem. I hooked up one of the two lines from the separator to my 6100 to test it out (the 9200 is not yet registered) and at first it seemed to work. But I then realized that the signal was worse and a lot of the channels didn't work. I then bypassed the separator and connected the 6100 directly to the line from the LMB and it worked perfectly again. So I thought something must be wrong with the seperator....

But then I hooked up the separator again and hooked up the unregistered 9200. The 9200 had no problems with the signal! Works perfectly! I checked out the full-time HD sample channel and it worked nicely. So all I have left to do is register the 9200.

It appears that the 6100 has limitations that the 9200 does not with this setup. I always thought that I could have hooked up 2 6100's with Example 1, but I guess I can't. Oh well, the 6100 will be up for sale soon.

[just_syl]

No separator is needed with the 6100 as it only has one tuner. So I guess it's normal the 6100 acts weird with the separator.

You could connect 2 6100 with example #1. But you wouldn't be able to connect anything else on your DPP LNB (without a multiswitch).

[Ampler]

Just an update:

I registered the receiver and it works perfectly!

Thanks ken0042 for the great info. I would have never figured out such a simple way to hook this thing up. My walls thank you as well as I didn't have to drill any additional holes.

[mooch911]

I have a problem and I am in desparate need of help. The outlet in the wall where I want to hook up my tv/sat only has the one coax connector. I want to get dual tuner capability. I was told that I could run the cables from my dual lnb to the SW44 and then two of outputs could go into a combiner and connect to my outlet. From there I would use a diplexer to split out the signal into two cables which would go into each tuner on the 9200.

Would this really work? Any info or alternative solution would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

[ken0042]

I can't see that working mooch. Once you combine the signal; there is now way for the receiver to tell a non-DPP switch how to change the signal. I would say option #1 in this thread would be the way to go.

[Joe Blow 71]

I've been a long time BEV customer but recently upgraded my wiring backbone to accomodate a new receiver (9200). There is also 2*3100 & a 5900 in the house so I needed 5 outputs. I have two dual LNB's with 4 cable runs into the house. Those runs meet a SW-44a, cascaded down to a SW-44. In theory that should generate 8 outputs. My problem is that the 9200 never recognized the satellite signals once I installed the SW-44a. (It is currently running perfectly off of the SW-44 as a stand alone switch). I would receive a reception error 'missing signal 1b & 2b: 91 & 82 even; this error was on tuner 1. On tuner 2 I would receive no signals at all. I also noticed that the 9200 would recognize the SW-44a as an 'SW-21 3SAT'. Any help on this install would be greatly appreciated; esp since the vendor of the switch has left me in the lurch by refusing any technical 'help'.

[mooch911]

Thanks for the info Ken...

So I guess what I need to find out is if I connect the DPP Separator to the SW44, will I be able to get the dual tuner to work? Or am I going to need to get a DPP44 as well? I just have the one receiver.

Aye, the lengths I'm willing to go to for satellite tv...

[Lindsay649]

You really need DishPro equipment installed to have it work. ie DishPro Twin or DishPro Plus Twin as your LNB for single cable operation with a seperator.

[Dimitri]

Hi,

This forum is extremely useful and I think I have gained most of my answers, but would appreciate some clarification.

I have an existing bell installation with one SD and one HD, (6 series non-PVR), reciever. I had it installed by Bell before I knew what to ask for. In general it has worked fine. I went out and bought the 9200 kit yesterday without knowing anything about the dual line requirement, (as a matter of fact the Bell World dude said that it could run with one input ...).

My configuration seems to have only two cables coming in to my house directly to a grounding block and then one cable, (from the preexisting rogers install), driving to the upstairs TV and one to my basement HD.

In other words no switch that I can see. Is this common? Can I just feed the two cables from the dish / grounding block into the switch included in the 9200 kit and then 3 cables out? (2 for the 9200 and 1 for the existing SD box), or does it require 4 inputs from the dish?

I understand I could also use the TV out from the 9200 for the second TV, but it's 2 floors up and I am not sure the range of the UHF remote.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Dimitri

[vmpv]

If what you are describing is correct then what you want to do won't work. You have to have a switch somewhere in there already, probably mounted on the dish itself. If you're lucky, you may find a SW-44 all ready to go so you'll only have to add two more outputs from the switch to run the other receivers if you want. So take a good look and try to figure out what switch you have and then take it from there.

[Gouie]

Originally Posted by sillywalk

You'll only have HD on one of the two TVs with the 9200.

Is this true? There is no way to push HD to tv 2?

[Dimitri]

Originally Posted by vmpv

If what you are describing is correct then what you want to do won't work. You have to have a switch somewhere in there already, probably mounted on the dish itself. If you're lucky, you may find a SW-44 all ready to go so you'll only have to add two more outputs from the switch to run the other receivers if you want. So take a good look and try to figure out what switch you have and then take it from there.

Right you are....

there is a 2x switch on the dish with the 2 inputs from the one LNB feeding into it and one output cable feeding inside into the grounding box. The second LNIB only has the one input, feeding directly out, (no switch), and inside to the grounding block, (is that unusual?).

This is obviously why just plugging those two cables directly in to my 9200 still doesnt work properly, (I assume the second unswitched cable only has one sattelite on it and the 9200 requires two identical feeds).

I guess I need to a second line to the second LNB and then a second switch, (if I want to stay with just two lines into the house), or add a SW44 and bring 4 lines in.

An problems using the dual two input SW2X switches? aside from having to use the extra TV out from the 9200 for my second set that is.

Thanks for any assitance,

Dimitri

Edit: Unless the reason there is only one cable coming from the second LNB is that is a single? Yowch! hope not

[vmpv]

Originally Posted by Dimitri

Right you are....

there is a 2x switch on the dish with the 2 inputs from the one LNB feeding into it and one output cable feeding inside into the grounding box. The second LNIB only has the one input, feeding directly out, (no switch), and inside to the grounding block, (is that unusual?).

What I think is happening is that a line from each lnb is run to the switch and then to your 6XXX receiver, This input will work for your 9200. The single line coming from one lnb is going to your other receiver. You will have to run that also to a switch as well as another line from the other lnb. If you go with another 2x switch then this will give you the other output to go to the 2nd tuner of your 9200. If you go with a SW-44 then you will need to run more cables but you will have 4 outputs. 2 can go to the 9200 and the other 2 can run your other receivers if you can figure out a way to get the signal to them. Keep in mind however that the SW-44 needs to be powered so you may wish to run the lines from the dish into the house so the switch can be plugged in. I have heard there is an unpowered version of the SW-44 but I haven't seen one.