9200 / 9242 / 9241 Installation 101

[copper]

Thanks Joe and SamS for your advice. I appreciate it. Joe, I rebooted; deleted all my taped shows and then recorded a few more and tried them. The stutter was still there evry 20 seconds or so. From Sam S it seems to be a common problem with some receivers. I'll call Bell and try to get a replacement. I couldn't buy one, I had to rent. I got it at Visions in Winnipeg a couple weeks ago, and they said only existing customers could buy. Thanks again.

[Q]

Steve,

The 9200 doesn't care if you are getting 91, 82 or both. a setup just pointing at 91 will work fine. Your existing dish is fine as well just for 91. Once you need 82 you will need to put the newer dish that came with the 9200 which is slightly oval and can rotate (skew).

Inside the 9200 box you should have received the 9200, a SW44 switch, a dual lnb, and another box which has the dish, y bracket, another dual lnb and mounting screws etc.

Joe

[trinitron27]

Originally Posted by Sam Squantch

The SW44 switch definitley won't work with just two inputs from one satellite. It needs all four inputs from two satellites. As well I'm not certain if the 9200 will work with just input from one satellite. I know that both tuners need to have an input for it to function properly but I'm not sure if that input can be from just one satellite or not. Obviously most people who buy a 9200 do so to get HD programming and your question is something that Bell probably hasn't encountered before. If you set up the second dish now and receive the feed from the HD satellite you will have everything ready to go once you get your HDTV. You should still get a signal from the HD satellite but will only get the HD preview channel. That should be enough to set everything up. You can order the HD programming at a later date once you get the TV. I can't really think of another solution.

Sam

Right now, i have a single LNB dish with 2 cables comming down into the basement and hooked up side by side into an SW44 and i'm running a 3100, 6200 and a 9200 with only one cable into the 9200. (i'm running a second one this weekend) obviously, i can't record one show and watch another right now with only 1 cable plugged into the back of the receiver. but it does work with the SW44. You have to plug both of the Sat 91 cables into the same side of the SW44 to get it to work. You therefore get both odd and even transponders from Sat 91 this way.

[Sam Squantch]

Originally Posted by trinitron27

Right now, i have a single LNB dish with 2 cables comming down into the basement and hooked up side by side into an SW44 and i'm running a 3100, 6200 and a 9200 with only one cable into the 9200. (i'm running a second one this weekend) obviously, i can't record one show and watch another right now with only 1 cable plugged into the back of the receiver. but it does work with the SW44. You have to plug both of the Sat 91 cables into the same side of the SW44 to get it to work. You therefore get both odd and even transponders from Sat 91 this way.

Interesting. I tried before to get the SW44 to work with only two inputs and it wouldn't work. And most of what I've read in the forum confirmed it. Sorry stevelev guess I was wrong.

[stevelev]

Originally Posted by Sam Squantch

Interesting. I tried before to get the SW44 to work with only two inputs and it wouldn't work. And most of what I've read in the forum confirmed it. Sorry stevelev guess I was wrong.

Thanks Joe, Trinitron and Sam. Your replies are much appreciated.

Interesting indeed. For fun last night I tried running the two cables from my dual LNB into the SW44 and then out to my 2700, and the best result I could get was that I could receive some channels, but not many.

On the SW44, I tried a couple of different input combinations. I tried plugging one cable into the Sat 1A input and one into Sat 2A, and I tried one into Sat 1A and one into Sat 1B. Again, the best result I could get was receving some channels, not all.

Trinitron, when you say "You have to plug both of the Sat 91 cables into the same side of the SW44 to get it to work.", do you mean one cable into Sat 1A and one into Sat 1B, or some other combo?

Are there differnet types of dual LNB's? Perhaps trinitron has a different one than I have.

Thanks again,
Steve

[trinitron27]

Originally Posted by stevelev

Thanks Joe, Trinitron and Sam. Your replies are much appreciated.

Interesting indeed. For fun last night I tried running the two cables from my dual LNB into the SW44 and then out to my 2700, and the best result I could get was that I could receive some channels, but not many.

On the SW44, I tried a couple of different input combinations. I tried plugging one cable into the Sat 1A input and one into Sat 2A, and I tried one into Sat 1A and one into Sat 1B. Again, the best result I could get was receving some channels, not all.

Trinitron, when you say "You have to plug both of the Sat 91 cables into the same side of the SW44 to get it to work.", do you mean one cable into Sat 1A and one into Sat 1B, or some other combo?

Are there differnet types of dual LNB's? Perhaps trinitron has a different one than I have.

Thanks again,
Steve

Yes one cable is in 1A and the other is 1B. The dish i have is the dish that came with my 2700. A am in the process of finishing my basement right now and on Friday night, i ran 2 cables in the studs to the location where my TV will be once i'm done down there. and then i can a temporary wire upstairs through the heating vent and plugged the second cable into the 9200. Works perfect now watch one, record one (save for the pausing on playback)
Did you do a check switch once you had it all installed? i had to do that to get it to work correctly. I know your not an idiot and made sure the power inserter is installed right? (Just checking, no offence) The SW44 switch that i have came with the 9200. I don't know if there was another model of that switch. Honestly, give bell a call, maybe they can check something?

[skram]

I did a quick scan of the last few posts and thought I should weigh in. You can definitely use the 9200 without the second satellitte.

I have been running since Sept the following:
20" dish with one LNB.
Two lines from the LNB going into the SW44.
Four lines from the SW44 (one with the power inserter).
Two lines to the 9200.
One line each to two 3100s.
(Also using diplexors to send the coax output of the 9200 to join up with the 3200 in the bedroom, so I can use either the 9200, which I have in single mode, or the 3100 in the bedroom).

Thus I am using the 9200 for SD only.
I bought the 9200 as it was the same price as the 5200 but had better features and a larger hard drive. As well, it means I'm ready when I ugrade my TV.

[stevelev]

Thanks skram and trinitron, I was able to get everyting working!

I now have 2 lines coming from my one dual-ouput lnb (18" dish), going into the SW44, and from there I have 2 lines going to the 9200 and one to the 3100. I now get all channels, PIP, etc.

I believe the key here was running "Check Switch" . It seems you have to run it once so that it knows what kind of switch it is. Before running check switch, I could only get some channels, probably only the ones on the even (or odd) transponders. After successfully running it, I now get all channels.

Thanks again to all who replied. Your help was greatly appreciated.

[dezzpayne]

apologize in advance for asking about something that forsure has been answered in the 39 pages so far but I made it to page 10 before getting a headache. Some things seem clear but I have a few lingering questions. I would like to know exactly what I need before I proceed with this new install.

1: I currently have 1 dual LNB with 2 feeds into a 4 way switch from my dish. In the 9200 box comes 2 LNB's. I have 4 receivers. My understanding is that for the HD content I need two LNB's installed as the LNB's are pointing at different Satellites correct? Do I also NEED the 2 extra feeds of RG6 giving me a total of 4 running into the new SW44 switch? (I see from other posts this appears to be incorrect as people seem to indicate they are getting full functionality out of 1 LNB. Why would Bell include 2 LNB's if the upgrade isn't required?)

2: I don't have the luxury of being able to run 2 seperate feeds into my 9200 so I need to use a splitter of some sort. In the diagrams it shows it being used in the example of going straight from the LNB to the receiver and then being split. Can a splitter be used from 1 of the feeds from the SW44 switch? I see people referencing specific equipment for this to work but I just have the LNB's and SW44 switch that came with the 9200 system. Is that all I need (besides buying the splitter of coarse).

Hehe reading more as I go. I understand then that the SW44 switch that ships with the receiver is not suitable for using a seperator. I need to buy the Dish Pro Plus LNB and switch to use a seperator with it?

[Q]

What are the model #'s of your receivers.
Do you plan on watching HD content on your 9200.
Do you want sat. 82 content (Non HD) on other receivers?

[dezzpayne]

I have a 2700, a 4700, a 5100 and now a 9200. Yes I want HD on the 9200 and yes I want reg content on the others.

I know that adds up to 5 feeds but I can always leave 1 out of the equation. Don't really have any particular need for 4 receivers when there's only 2 of us in the house.

[Q]

If you leave one of the single tuners out you can.....

use a 20" dish with 2 dual lnbs and a SW44 switch. This all comes in the 9200 package.

You will however need 2 lines to the 9200 to take advantage of it capabilities. Some people have said it does work in a limited way with one tuner. personally......I would not recommend one tuner hook-up.

If you can't run 2 wires to the 9200 but want full capability there is an option using a DPP separator. This however requires different lnb's and switch.

These cost money and are only available in the states. I bought my stuff from ebay.

Too hook up all your stuff you can get a DPP twin lnb and a DPP 44 switch and one separator.

This will allow hook up of all receivers and one line to the 9200 with full capability.

Hope that helps.

Joe

[dharms]

New forum member and long time, happy 3100 user. Set up my new 9200 on the weekend and have a couple questions:

1. Should it be expected to see signal loss (compared to my existing 3100) when running through the SW44 and 9200? I set up the two LNBs on my existing dish and the best I could seem to do on 91 through the 9200 was 80% signal on most transponders. 82 did not show up. As a test (and so I could watch the Masters) I bypassed the SW44 and went direct back into my 3100 and I was getting 95% plus on virtually all transponders. No change in dish or position.

2. If you have a strong 91 signal are you supposed to automatically be able to pick up 82?

Thanks, DA

[stevelev]

Originally Posted by skram

I did a quick scan of the last few posts and thought I should weigh in. You can definitely use the 9200 without the second satellitte.

I have been running since Sept the following:
20" dish with one LNB.
Two lines from the LNB going into the SW44.
Four lines from the SW44 (one with the power inserter).
Two lines to the 9200.
One line each to two 3100s.
(Also using diplexors to send the coax output of the 9200 to join up with the 3200 in the bedroom, so I can use either the 9200, which I have in single mode, or the 3100 in the bedroom).

Thus I am using the 9200 for SD only.
I bought the 9200 as it was the same price as the 5200 but had better features and a larger hard drive. As well, it means I'm ready when I ugrade my TV.

Skram,

Quote "(Also using diplexors to send the coax output of the 9200 to join up with the 3200 in the bedroom, so I can use either the 9200, which I have in single mode, or the 3100 in the bedroom)."

I'm not sure I understand this, but it sounds like something I'm attempting to do.

I would like to have a setup where on my downstairs TV I could either use my 3100 (fed from the SW44), or use the upstairs 9200 (which works via the UHF remote), presumably by flipping (or sliding) a switch. How would I do this?

You mention the coax output of the 9200. Is this the TV2 output or another one? It sounds like daisy chaining receivers. Can this be done? How many/what kind of diplexors would I need?

Thanks for your help.

Steve

[Q]

dharms,

you may get a signal but need to do a check switch. Most people have to skew there dish according to there location.

You should not loose that much of your signal through the switch.