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keesha1 · 2012-07-27, 04:46 PM

Thanks to everyone, but as far as I can tell it must be the switch. I hooked up the 5900 to the forth port and it worked fine. I had another receiver 4700 that I tried hooking up to the third port and it failed. It shows not reception and no switch. Before I purchase another one can someone explain the difference between a sw44 and a sw44A. Again thanks to everyone for helping me out.

46FD04 · 2012-07-27, 06:49 PM

SW44A is a generic switch made by other companies. Don't buy one.

Stick with the OEM Dish Network SW44.

Before you do that, CONFIRM your switch is faulty by connecting the two cables that go into you 9241 into Port 3 and Port 4. Do a Check Switch test.

Pass or fail???

AND test Port 1 and Port 2 using your 5900. Do a Check Switch for each Port.

Pass or Fail???

You may have an LNB problem or a cable connector problem.

TEST EVERYTHING before you spend more $ on a switch.

I know it's a pain in the backside, but it's gotta be done to confirm whether or not your existing SW44 has failed.

Keep us posted on your results please.

Thank you.

JoeLouie · 2012-07-27, 07:12 PM

If you're not planning on adding a 3rd receiver, and needing the 4th output from the switch, just connect the 5900 to Port 4 and call it a day. By the time you're actually ready to add another receiver (if ever) the DPP Quad might be cheaper and easier to find. At least that's what I'd do.

Pinza · 2012-07-27, 09:11 PM

The SW44a is NOT a generic version of an SW44 it is a different switch, I would suggest the same thing as Joelouie, use the port that is working for now.

keesha1 · 2012-07-30, 02:18 PM

Thanks for everyone's help, I did try changing my 9241 to port three and four and the switched showed ok. When I reconnected the 9241 back to the switch it showed failed. I removed all the wires this timw and reconnected and everything seems to be working fine. It must have been a bad wire connector (Using push on's) and not the switch. Thanks again for saving me the money on a new switch.

46FD04 · 2012-07-30, 11:34 PM

Keesha1

Good to hear!!!

My advice - change those "push on" connectors to the proper weather-proof compressible connectors, especially the outdoor connections at the SW44 switch.

VE3YYZ · 2012-09-02, 01:21 AM

Guys

My neighbour has finally received a 9141 as a swap for his 9200, and has tried to installing it this evening and has run into some difficulty. Here is the situation, and it has me stumped, so hopefully someone can give some assistance.

The dish is the standard dual lnb with an SW44. Signals of both 91/82 are acceptable. The system worked flawlessly with the 9200.

When he removed he 9200, he did not mark which leads went to which port. He also removed the power inserter from the cable. He then ran the check switch, the receiver saw the SW44, but failed on the transponders, only see 91 on the input 1. He then had Bell authorize the receiver.

I happened to stop in to drop some Taber corn off, and he asked for my help. First thing I did was install the power inserter back in, once I ascertained which lead was going into port 1, ran the check switch and then both ports saw only 91. So I decided to remove both cables, ran check switch, which failed on all ports/sats and detected no switch, saved the configuration. Reinstalled the cables, ran the test, the rx once again detected the SW44, saw 91 on both ports, but failed on 82. When we do the point dish, both ports we see 91 and 82 when we change the satellite, yet it fails on check switch. Any ideas on what is wrong with his installation?

Second issue he has, is the guide display is UTC and not MDT. I think this has do with a missed sync signal, but he is receiving all his programming. Once we solve the issue with 82, I will him contact Bell for a refresh.

He really wants to get the high def working by Monday, so he can watch the Stamps, so again any suggestions would be appreciated.

46FD04 · 2012-09-04, 10:31 AM

To VE3YYZ,

The 9200 receiver permitted a customer to connect a second TV (called TV2), and operate it independently from the main TV.

Was your friend using this function? If he was, MAKE SURE you correctly identify this cable, and DO NOT connect it to one of the two inputs.

Are there only two cables going out to the SW44 switch?

Was there only one receiver being used?

If yes to both questions, UNPLUG the electrical cord for the power inserter, and connect the power inserter to the other incoming cable.

Make sure the power inserter is connected correctly; (To Receiver Satellite In connects to one Satellite In input at the back of the 9241 and To Switch Input 1 connects to the cable going to the SW44 connected to To Power Inserter 1), and be sure you have the power cable (from the transformer) connected to the power inserter.

Also, make sure you have the second incoming cable connected to the second satellite input of the 9241.

Plug the power inserter's transformer electrical cord back into the 120VAC.

Do the Check Switch test again and see what happens.

If the test fails completely, switch the power inserter back to the other incoming cable and try again.

If, once again, you are seeing 91 only, and no 82, it is possible your friend shorted out the switch when he disconnected the old 9200 and removed the power inserter.

Anytime anything is being changed, involving disconnecting/connecting cables, ALWAYS pull the power plug on the power inserter, to de-energize the SW44 switch.

Hopefully Pinza and JoeLouie may have some other suggestions for you.

Good luck.

VE3YYZ · 2012-09-04, 10:21 PM

Hi 46FD04

Thanks for the reply.

No, he wasn't using the second TV output on the 9200.
There is only one receiver in the house, with the two leads coming from the dish. (mounted on the peak of the roof, so I doubt if I will be going up to check the switch)

Already figured out which lead was the correct one, and it is going to input 1. He de-energizered the system when he was removing the old receiver.

The funny thing, is when I do the transponder checks, both inputs see both satellites, but the check switch test fails, only receives 91. Would test his receiver here, but I have a newer set up.

46FD04 · 2012-09-05, 07:59 PM

Take your receiver to his place hook it up and do a Check Switch test.

If this test also fails there is something wrong with his dish switch setup.

Also do a reboot test on your buddy's receiver. Turn it on then press and hold the Power button until it shuts off. The receiver will do a complete reboot and reset. When it's finished, do another Check Switch test and see what happens.

VE3YYZ · 2012-09-15, 09:55 PM

Well the trouble has been solved, by a replacement receiver.

While I was out splitting wood at my parents, my neighbour went out and purchased a new switch. This didn't solve his issue, so he reinstalled the old switch. Unfortuantely, when he reinstalled the switch, he damaged three connectors. Needless to say, everything was SNAFUed. The mext day, the new receiver came, so I went over to install it, then redressed the connectors. Everything is working fine, he is happy, and his wife is happier, so it is all good in the neighbourhood. Now I can go ahead and install my HF antennas.

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2012-07-27, 04:46 PM	#1906
keesha1 Rookie Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 4	Thanks to everyone, but as far as I can tell it must be the switch. I hooked up the 5900 to the forth port and it worked fine. I had another receiver 4700 that I tried hooking up to the third port and it failed. It shows not reception and no switch. Before I purchase another one can someone explain the difference between a sw44 and a sw44A. Again thanks to everyone for helping me out.

2012-07-27, 06:49 PM	#1907
46FD04 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ajax Posts: 429	SW44A is a generic switch made by other companies. Don't buy one. Stick with the OEM Dish Network SW44. Before you do that, CONFIRM your switch is faulty by connecting the two cables that go into you 9241 into Port 3 and Port 4. Do a Check Switch test. Pass or fail??? AND test Port 1 and Port 2 using your 5900. Do a Check Switch for each Port. Pass or Fail??? You may have an LNB problem or a cable connector problem. TEST EVERYTHING before you spend more $ on a switch. I know it's a pain in the backside, but it's gotta be done to confirm whether or not your existing SW44 has failed. Keep us posted on your results please. Thank you.

2012-07-27, 07:12 PM	#1908
JoeLouie Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 890	If you're not planning on adding a 3rd receiver, and needing the 4th output from the switch, just connect the 5900 to Port 4 and call it a day. By the time you're actually ready to add another receiver (if ever) the DPP Quad might be cheaper and easier to find. At least that's what I'd do.

2012-07-27, 09:11 PM	#1909
Pinza Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GTA Posts: 8,584	The SW44a is NOT a generic version of an SW44 it is a different switch, I would suggest the same thing as Joelouie, use the port that is working for now.

2012-07-30, 02:18 PM	#1910
keesha1 Rookie Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 4	Thanks for everyone's help, I did try changing my 9241 to port three and four and the switched showed ok. When I reconnected the 9241 back to the switch it showed failed. I removed all the wires this timw and reconnected and everything seems to be working fine. It must have been a bad wire connector (Using push on's) and not the switch. Thanks again for saving me the money on a new switch.

2012-07-30, 11:34 PM	#1911
46FD04 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ajax Posts: 429	Keesha1 Good to hear!!! My advice - change those "push on" connectors to the proper weather-proof compressible connectors, especially the outdoor connections at the SW44 switch.

2012-09-02, 01:21 AM	#1912
VE3YYZ Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 37	Guys My neighbour has finally received a 9141 as a swap for his 9200, and has tried to installing it this evening and has run into some difficulty. Here is the situation, and it has me stumped, so hopefully someone can give some assistance. The dish is the standard dual lnb with an SW44. Signals of both 91/82 are acceptable. The system worked flawlessly with the 9200. When he removed he 9200, he did not mark which leads went to which port. He also removed the power inserter from the cable. He then ran the check switch, the receiver saw the SW44, but failed on the transponders, only see 91 on the input 1. He then had Bell authorize the receiver. I happened to stop in to drop some Taber corn off, and he asked for my help. First thing I did was install the power inserter back in, once I ascertained which lead was going into port 1, ran the check switch and then both ports saw only 91. So I decided to remove both cables, ran check switch, which failed on all ports/sats and detected no switch, saved the configuration. Reinstalled the cables, ran the test, the rx once again detected the SW44, saw 91 on both ports, but failed on 82. When we do the point dish, both ports we see 91 and 82 when we change the satellite, yet it fails on check switch. Any ideas on what is wrong with his installation? Second issue he has, is the guide display is UTC and not MDT. I think this has do with a missed sync signal, but he is receiving all his programming. Once we solve the issue with 82, I will him contact Bell for a refresh. He really wants to get the high def working by Monday, so he can watch the Stamps, so again any suggestions would be appreciated.

2012-09-04, 10:31 AM	#1913
46FD04 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ajax Posts: 429	To VE3YYZ, The 9200 receiver permitted a customer to connect a second TV (called TV2), and operate it independently from the main TV. Was your friend using this function? If he was, MAKE SURE you correctly identify this cable, and DO NOT connect it to one of the two inputs. Are there only two cables going out to the SW44 switch? Was there only one receiver being used? If yes to both questions, UNPLUG the electrical cord for the power inserter, and connect the power inserter to the other incoming cable. Make sure the power inserter is connected correctly; (To Receiver Satellite In connects to one Satellite In input at the back of the 9241 and To Switch Input 1 connects to the cable going to the SW44 connected to To Power Inserter 1), and be sure you have the power cable (from the transformer) connected to the power inserter. Also, make sure you have the second incoming cable connected to the second satellite input of the 9241. Plug the power inserter's transformer electrical cord back into the 120VAC. Do the Check Switch test again and see what happens. If the test fails completely, switch the power inserter back to the other incoming cable and try again. If, once again, you are seeing 91 only, and no 82, it is possible your friend shorted out the switch when he disconnected the old 9200 and removed the power inserter. Anytime anything is being changed, involving disconnecting/connecting cables, ALWAYS pull the power plug on the power inserter, to de-energize the SW44 switch. Hopefully Pinza and JoeLouie may have some other suggestions for you. Good luck.

2012-09-04, 10:21 PM	#1914
VE3YYZ Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 37	Hi 46FD04 Thanks for the reply. No, he wasn't using the second TV output on the 9200. There is only one receiver in the house, with the two leads coming from the dish. (mounted on the peak of the roof, so I doubt if I will be going up to check the switch) Already figured out which lead was the correct one, and it is going to input 1. He de-energizered the system when he was removing the old receiver. The funny thing, is when I do the transponder checks, both inputs see both satellites, but the check switch test fails, only receives 91. Would test his receiver here, but I have a newer set up.

2012-09-05, 07:59 PM	#1915
46FD04 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ajax Posts: 429	Take your receiver to his place hook it up and do a Check Switch test. If this test also fails there is something wrong with his dish switch setup. Also do a reboot test on your buddy's receiver. Turn it on then press and hold the Power button until it shuts off. The receiver will do a complete reboot and reset. When it's finished, do another Check Switch test and see what happens.

2012-09-15, 09:55 PM	#1916
VE3YYZ Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 37	Well the trouble has been solved, by a replacement receiver. While I was out splitting wood at my parents, my neighbour went out and purchased a new switch. This didn't solve his issue, so he reinstalled the old switch. Unfortuantely, when he reinstalled the switch, he damaged three connectors. Needless to say, everything was SNAFUed. The mext day, the new receiver came, so I went over to install it, then redressed the connectors. Everything is working fine, he is happy, and his wife is happier, so it is all good in the neighbourhood. Now I can go ahead and install my HF antennas.