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os · 2005-05-30, 07:48 PM

Amnesty International report:
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-eng

<<Hypocrisy, an overarching war mentality and a disregard for basic human rights principles and international legal obligations continue to mark the USA's "war on terror". Serious human rights violations are the inevitable result.>>

Act now, please read the "What can you do?" section.

buritto · 2005-05-30, 10:09 PM

I could honestly care less about Gitmo. Tell Amnesty to start with China and work there way down the list.

mightymike · 2005-05-31, 10:14 AM

Dad? Dad? Is that you? I thought you died?
Well buritto, lets hope you or your families human rights, basic human rights, are never infringed upon!
mightymike

pjreid · 2005-05-31, 10:18 AM

Umm...Amnesty already has a good track record of calling out China's human rights violations, among others. So...because the offences allegedly taking place at Guantanamo Bay are "minor" by comparison, they shouldn't be dealt with?

Tell me, if the house next door to you is being robbed, do you decide not to call 911 because there's a riot in the downtown area? Do you understand that you can deal with more than one issue at a time?

Further, do you understand how hypocritical it is of the US (and any other supporters of Guantanamo) to be prepretating human rights offences while at the same time denouncing other countries who do the same?

If so, then I don't get why you don't care about the issue.

buritto · 2005-05-31, 01:01 PM

I can't believe you all care about those people in Gitmo, it's not like they jay-walked and off they went to Cuba. I don't give a ratts behind about them.

If you care about them send them an aid package or something.

EDIT:

Actually no need to send an aid package but you can give them your money...

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-toolkit-eng

And Amnesty said that it's a gulag over there. Hmmmm....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

That's a gulag.

pjreid · 2005-05-31, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buritto

I can't believe you all care about those people in Gitmo, it's not like they jay-walked and off they went to Cuba. I don't give a ratts behind about them.

If you care about them send them an aid package or something.

a) Some of them didn't do _anything_ other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
b)Some of them were not terrorists but were fighting an invasion of their country.
c)IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE F?CK THESE PEOPLE DID; THEY STILL SHOULD BE TREATED HUMANELY. Doesn't it strike you as wrong that the US is keeping them outside US borders so that they're free from the restrictions they would have if the prisoners were located on US soil?

buritto · 2005-05-31, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjreid

a) Some of them didn't do _anything_ other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
b)Some of them were not terrorists but were fighting an invasion of their country.
c)IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE F?CK THESE PEOPLE DID; THEY STILL SHOULD BE TREATED HUMANELY. Doesn't it strike you as wrong that the US is keeping them outside US borders so that they're free from the restrictions they would have if the prisoners were located on US soil?

a) Yes I'm sure there is.

b) If your holding an AK-47 and not dead consider them luckey to be a live and in Gitmo.

c) They are treated as humanely as possible all's NOT fair in love and war. Do you think it is? They could send them to the moon for all I care.

Did you send them your donation yet? Timmy the Taliban could use your money to free himself.

Face it, I don't care about them and most people don't either.

os · 2005-05-31, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buritto

Face it, I don't care about them and most people don't either.

You don't care about human rights in general, or only in this particular case where the offender is US?
How about the long list of other human rights violations by US:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng ?

Nanuuk · 2005-05-31, 02:33 PM

I'm with Buritto. If you find yourself there chances are your weren't walking down the street minding your own business. Chances are you were involved in a terrorist activity directed at the U.S. They're lucky they're not on bread and water.

ken0042 · 2005-05-31, 02:46 PM

I have to say I'm with Burrito as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjreid

Tell me, if the house next door to you is being robbed, do you decide not to call 911 because there's a riot in the downtown area?

That is a great analogy. Myself, I likely wouldn't call 911 if the police were busy with a riot. I remember during the LA riots in 1992 (or was it 93) they showed police officers just watching looting going on. Why? The cops were more concerned with public safety.

If I have a choce between supporting Amnesty or the Red Cross Tsunami relief; I'm putting my money on the Red Cross. (And I already did too.)

The US is dealing with it's military officials who are breaking International law; from what I've seen in the news.

Maybe if Amnesty had stepped in when Saddam was in power; the US wouldn't have invaded in the first place.

biglyle · 2005-05-31, 03:05 PM

I am with Burrito as well. All this US bashing makes me ill. If terrorists strike on Canadian soil you can bet your last dollar will be will be kissing many an American ass begging them get involved.

Is the US always right, hell no.
Am I glad we are neighbours. You bet your ass I am.

buritto · 2005-05-31, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by os

You don't care about human rights in general, or only in this particular case where the offender is US?
How about the long list of other human rights violations by US:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng ?

I care about human rights. Absolutely! But not these guys. And the consences seems that most don't either and I don't think Amnesty will get much money from these board members.

os · 2005-05-31, 05:09 PM

So you guys agree with the torture of POWs? Because it seems it was an official policy directive coming from the US War Secretary, Rumsfeld :
<<"We have documented the use of torture and mistreatment, widespread throughout the world. We have documented that the U.S. government is a leading purveyor and practitioner of the odious human rights violation," says William Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International. >>

I'm just sad, that a country that I once admired is slowly becoming a new Soviet Union. Under this mask of a "war on terror", they are becoming one with the terrorists they are claiming to fight against.

booth44 · 2005-05-31, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by os

I'm just sad, that a country that I once admired is slowly becoming a new Soviet Union. Under this mask of a "war on terror", they are becoming one with the terrorists they are claiming to fight against.

Oh, give us a break already. There's no "evidence" in that Amnesty report, only accusation.

At Amnesty, they're blinded by their hatred of Bush, just like you.

os · 2005-05-31, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booth44

At Amnesty, they're blinded by their hatred of Bush, just like you.

That's what the Soviets used to say, that Amnesty International hates the communists that's why they are spreading lies about them.

[Or alternatively you are blinded by your love of Bush (and by the US news media).]

2005-05-30, 07:48 PM	#1
os Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,056	Guantánamo Bay - a human rights scandal Amnesty International report: http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-index-eng <<Hypocrisy, an overarching war mentality and a disregard for basic human rights principles and international legal obligations continue to mark the USA's "war on terror". Serious human rights violations are the inevitable result.>> Act now, please read the "What can you do?" section.

2005-05-31, 10:14 AM	#3
mightymike Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 110	Gitmo Dad? Dad? Is that you? I thought you died? Well buritto, lets hope you or your families human rights, basic human rights, are never infringed upon! mightymike

2005-05-31, 01:01 PM	#5
buritto Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,321	I can't believe you all care about those people in Gitmo, it's not like they jay-walked and off they went to Cuba. I don't give a ratts behind about them. If you care about them send them an aid package or something. EDIT: Actually no need to send an aid package but you can give them your money... http://web.amnesty.org/pages/guantanamobay-toolkit-eng And Amnesty said that it's a gulag over there. Hmmmm.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag That's a gulag. Last edited by buritto; 2005-05-31 at 01:11 PM.

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2005-05-30, 10:09 PM	#2
buritto Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,321	I could honestly care less about Gitmo. Tell Amnesty to start with China and work there way down the list.

2005-05-31, 10:18 AM	#4
pjreid Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ajax, ON Posts: 714	Umm...Amnesty already has a good track record of calling out China's human rights violations, among others. So...because the offences allegedly taking place at Guantanamo Bay are "minor" by comparison, they shouldn't be dealt with? Tell me, if the house next door to you is being robbed, do you decide not to call 911 because there's a riot in the downtown area? Do you understand that you can deal with more than one issue at a time? Further, do you understand how hypocritical it is of the US (and any other supporters of Guantanamo) to be prepretating human rights offences while at the same time denouncing other countries who do the same? If so, then I don't get why you don't care about the issue.

2005-05-31, 02:33 PM	#9
Nanuuk Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calgary, AB Shaw Exo Posts: 4,811	I'm with Buritto. If you find yourself there chances are your weren't walking down the street minding your own business. Chances are you were involved in a terrorist activity directed at the U.S. They're lucky they're not on bread and water.

2005-05-31, 03:05 PM	#11
biglyle Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ThunderBay,ON Posts: 953	I am with Burrito as well. All this US bashing makes me ill. If terrorists strike on Canadian soil you can bet your last dollar will be will be kissing many an American ass begging them get involved. Is the US always right, hell no. Am I glad we are neighbours. You bet your ass I am.

2005-05-31, 05:09 PM	#13
os Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,056	So you guys agree with the torture of POWs? Because it seems it was an official policy directive coming from the US War Secretary, Rumsfeld : <<"We have documented the use of torture and mistreatment, widespread throughout the world. We have documented that the U.S. government is a leading purveyor and practitioner of the odious human rights violation," says William Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International. >> I'm just sad, that a country that I once admired is slowly becoming a new Soviet Union. Under this mask of a "war on terror", they are becoming one with the terrorists they are claiming to fight against.