810VS Major Problem

[mike infinity]

Originally Posted by casscarr2002

Mike, V500A ( a little confusing with that link you gave me ) if you read the descrition carefully.

You asked me for a 60" model of the v500, the link takes you to the FS product page on one. How is that confusing?

Does this come with any HDMI? I have 2 HDMI cables running from my DVD and Settop box at $330 each.

Can you return them? You should if you can because you can get cables like these online for a fraction of the cost with identical performance. And didn't your DVD player come with a cable for free? Most upsamplers do.

To answer your question, the v500 series has a DVI conncection (the replacements due out this year (v700 with cable box)) have the HDMI. But there's not much point in waiting since the problem is easily fixed.

Wasting my $$$ if it deosn't accomodate HDMI. That may lead me to the 60" XS955 sony then.

So you would spend an extra $800+tax only to get an HDMI connection instead of purchasing a DVI-HDMI connector for $20? If the sony had better PQ (or some other advantage) then I could understand this decision. Frankly, I'm not understanding your rationale here.

Cheers,

Mike Flynn

[maxyvits]

Originally Posted by mike infinity

I havn't tested the sony, but the reviews claim a relatively poor gray scale performance before calibration. Can you give me more information on this?

Yes, I can confirm this. Before calibration the darker greys are washed out on the (my) GWIII. After applying umr's tweaks (from AVS) on Pro setting it's perfect. There is a red push too on 1080i and 720p that people want to eliminate through SM.

PS -

Originally Posted by mike infinity

I've never heard of 'bleeding black levels'.

Sorry, I meant black crush

[casscarr2002]

No you can't return cables after owning them for 4 months, unless you're magical don't think anyone could. The sony XS has 2 HDMI inputs, how is this confusing? Thus my move maybe to the XS as I think I've had enough of Hitachi. How can you not understand this, I can't return the HDMI, and frankly I won't, So yes, seeing as I have lots of $$ to spare, I would spend the extra $800 for an XS where in fact it is not $800 more (If I decide not to try another Hitachi but the 60" model). The actual increase in price is going to the 60" that I'm talking about. I have priced out with my dealer the XS vs the VS810 60's and 55"XS 50" Hitachi to be the same price in each category, he is very flexible.
I won't get into a cable discussion but I did not want to use the DVI cable that came with my Samsung. I wanted a HDMI Cable for future HDMI DVD and used a DVI adapter ($39.99 +tax). I'm a stickler for paying for top notch type cabling. Even though they're often no better than the box cable. This is really starting to annoy me. the v500a has just as many QC issues and PQ issues as it seems the VS810 does. If you don't want to spend the extra $$$ for the VS810 then yes buy the 500a, but as I have lots of $$$ to throw around I didn't mind paying the extra (at the time I purchased) $750 for the VS810. I'd say the v500a is a great day to day everyday viewing TV but the VS is "the" movie LCD out there, notwithstanding the Vertcal Banding, Pixel, green/red bleed issues

[mike infinity]

Originally Posted by casscarr2002

The sony XS has 2 HDMI inputs, how is this confusing?

I'm sorry CC, its just that you didn't tell me that an important requirement for you was 2 hdmi ports when you asked me to post a like to the 60v500.

I can't return the HDMI, and frankly I won't

You don't have to, you can buy adapters and not lose PQ. Its up to you. Some people prefer having the best of the best for cables...and I'm not taking that preference away from you. I respect it.

The actual increase in price is going to the 60" that I'm talking about.

I was talking about the 60" v500 series...the one you asked me about a couple of posts back.

the v500a has just as many QC issues and PQ issues as it seems the VS810 does.

Care to be more specific about the PQ problems with the v500 series?

but the VS is "the" movie LCD out there, notwithstanding the Vertcal Banding, Pixel, green/red bleed issues

....And the highly reflective screen cover and the inferior off axis viewing. I'm curious, just what does the VS do better that makes it "the" viewing machine? Seems like the only thing the VS has that the v500 doesn't is a nicer box and marketing hype. Thats not an insult to anyone's purchase...thats just my personal opinion based on all of the specific observations I have made.

Look CC, I'm not trying to upset you...and I'm sorry if I made you feel like you did not make good choices. If the vs810 'wows' you, then I'm happy for you. It really is an excellent TV to complement the excellent home theater that you are building.

Again, I apologize if I have offended you....I am just stating my opinion...I respect that you have your own and it differs from mine.

Cheers,

Mike Flynn

[mike infinity]

Originally Posted by maxyvits

Sorry, I meant black crush

The hitachi doesn't crush blacks maxywits....not unless you activate black enhancement (which is not necessary). I suspect the same can be said for most LCDs that employ black enhancment (a feature that should always be left off).

I have yet to see a TV crush blacks. I have seen a few dvd players that do...but not one TV. The panny 43lc13 crushed whites if you set the contrast/brightness high enough...but a little tweaking easily fixed it.

Cheers,

Mike Flynn

[RNAChemist]

Blacks (or whites) can easily looked crushed if the contrast/brightness levels are set incorrectly.

[casscarr2002]

blah blah blah, your v500A is technically an inferior and older model TV, the comparison's done side by side with specifications only encourage this as well.
I am moving on from here. I don't have the time nor the patience to critique every item, sentence, and viewing discussion that folks post here. That becomes tiresome very fast. It has superior PQ to the v500 by far You are the only person I have ever heard, seen, talked to that says this, so I'll take your words with a grain of salt and go settle in for a movie. The glare on this screen does not inhibit off axis viewing, quite honestly who really gives a turd about off axis viewing, for $4-5,000 I certainly hope you didn't buy a TV so you can sit off axis and watch TV.

[maxyvits]

Originally Posted by mike infinity

The hitachi doesn't crush blacks maxywits....not unless you activate black enhancement (which is not necessary). I suspect the same can be said for most LCDs that employ black enhancment (a feature that should always be left off).

I have yet to see a TV crush blacks. I have seen a few dvd players that do...but not one TV. The panny 43lc13 crushed whites if you set the contrast/brightness high enough...but a little tweaking easily fixed it.

Cheers,

Mike Flynn

Tell you what, Mike, if this, my fourth Sony clunks out on me, I'll consider the v500 again. It's more likely though that I'll try JVC's HD-ILA 52Z575, which is soliciting quite a bit of interest (despite certain issues).

[mike infinity]

Originally Posted by casscarr2002

the comparison's done side by side with specifications only encourage this as well.

Thats right, the HDMI port and shorter cabinet make all the difference in PQ.

I don't have the time nor the patience to critique every item, sentence, and viewing discussion that folks post here.

But you apparently have plenty of time and patience to rant and post opinions based on little more than incredulity.

That becomes tiresome very fast.

It sure does. All I did was respond to your request for information and opinions with information and opinions. I didn't realize you would be offended if my opinion differs from yours.

It has superior PQ to the v500

And you can't think of a single criteria on which to base that claim. We know you feel that way already. For the discussion to meaningful it would be nice if you could give us a few more details.

You are the only person I have ever heard, seen, talked to that says this, so I'll take your words with a grain of salt and go settle in for a movie.

So the reason you claim your TV has superior PQ is because everybody told you so? Must be true then.

Anyway, there are plenty of posters right here who agree, and plenty over at AVS. Not to mention several store managers, reviewers, and other people I have tested the technology with.

Some disagree, and thats fine.

The only difference between us is I am offering some explanation as to WHY I prefer the v500. All you can say is 'mine's the best', and ignore everything else.

The glare on this screen does not inhibit off axis viewing

It doesn't 'inhibit', it detracts from it. It would if the glare was reflecting at an off-axis angle. Just as glare affects direct viewing if there is any directly reflected light (and there is always some ambient light reflected that way).

You might not care about it...that doesn't mean it isn't affected.

quite honestly who really gives a turd about off axis viewing, for $4-5,000 I certainly hope you didn't buy a TV so you can sit off axis and watch TV.

Well, when when my family of four and friends are watching a movie its pretty hard for us all to sit in the same chair.

You would think that for $4000, you would get some improvement in PQ over a set that costs $3000. But I'm forgetting that your most important criterion is an HDMI port.

Anyway CC, next time I'll know not to respond to your questions. Contrary opinions seem to offend you for some reason. You can post some more rant if you like and have the last word.

Cheers,

Mike Flynn

[mike infinity]

Originally Posted by maxyvits

It's more likely though that I'll try JVC's HD-ILA 52Z575, which is soliciting quite a bit of interest (despite certain issues).

Actually I really like the technology in that set. If they can get the price down and the colour decoding right we would have a real no-compromise winner.

Cheers,

Mike Flynn

[maxyvits]

Originally Posted by mike infinity

Actually I really like the technology in that set. If they can get the price down and the colour decoding right we would have a real no-compromise winner.

Cheers,

Mike Flynn

I'm a little apprehensive about it though given the experiences listed on AVS in a thread devoted to D-ILA along with some reviews. Still, the technology sounds very interesting and the picture looks ... glossy sweet! I almost got it as a replacement after my run in with the first Sony. I refused it (stupid me) on account of the HDMI outlet. My HDTV tuner has a DVI outlet, for which I spent fifty dollars on the correct cable (DVI-D). I have since discovered that I could get an adapter: DVI to HDMI. Is this true?

[mike infinity]

Originally Posted by maxyvits

I have since discovered that I could get an adapter: DVI to HDMI. Is this true?

Yes. Thats what I use to connect my hdmi DVD player to my DVI input. You can also get DVI <-> HDMI cables.

Cheers,

Mike Flynn

[casscarr2002]

I won't continue. sorry for dragging this on.

[maxyvits]

Originally Posted by maxyvits

I'm a little apprehensive about it though given the experiences listed on AVS in a thread devoted to D-ILA along with some reviews. Still, the technology sounds very interesting and the picture looks ... glossy sweet! I almost got it as a replacement after my run in with the first Sony. I refused it (stupid me) on account of the HDMI outlet. My HDTV tuner has a DVI outlet, for which I spent fifty dollars on the correct cable (DVI-D). I have since discovered that I could get an adapter: DVI to HDMI. Is this true?

I don't feel badly about this decision anymore:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...88#post4141188

[RNAChemist]

what tv do you have now Maxyvits? The sony?