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Chrome69 · 2012-05-02, 09:25 AM

I currently have both a 6131 and 6141 with ext HDD hooked up now both work fine in recording shows but here is the problem i am having.

When i setup to record a show on a weekly basis say The First 48 which comes on Thursdays at 9pm. Now if i set up to record only "New" episodes it will record all of them and that show has over 300 episodes (seems like its more new to the receiver than actual new episode) So if i set it to weekly at the said time 9pm that's fine but it will record a repeat if their isn't a new episode. Worst part sometimes on A&E they like to run back to back new episodes. How do i work around this? Am i missing something or did Bell/Dish Network drop the ball on limitations for the PVR?

I Have Played with Directv DVR before and it would handle this perfect any suggestions?

timmaywpg · 2012-05-02, 12:06 PM

First of all the programming info needs to be set correctly (i.e. new/old episode tags) for your PVR to function properly. I believe that if you set up a season recording the PVR will record an episode by default if the tags are missing.

I was also under the impression that "new" episodes - if tagged properly - will only record episodes in the current season.

Chrome69 · 2012-05-02, 12:11 PM

so how would i set up tags? never seen that in the menu?

DSgamby · 2012-05-02, 12:13 PM

You don't. The company that does the program schedule and program info does.

57 · 2012-05-02, 12:58 PM

Which means that if the IPG information is incorrect, which it sometimes (often?) is, then it doesn't work as "intended".

AtlanticRebel · 2012-05-02, 01:37 PM

I would really like to see Bell add an option to timers, to skip any program that does not have an air date listed. It shouldn't be that hard to do, I assume they are using a database driven guide, therefore, all that needs to be done is add a checkbox that adds an extra condition to the query.

I have noticed that since switching over from Shaw, my receiver is clogged with old episodes of stuff, as Bell assumes if no air date is specified, it must be new, quite annoying, especially on Pass timers.

Sadly, the guide information is not a Bell problem, but whichever company supplies the data(Tribune?).

- M

DSgamby · 2012-05-02, 01:51 PM

But what happens if there is no air date and it is a new episode? You would miss the show. Most people would rather that they delete the episode that they watched already then not see an episode because the PVR did not record it.

AtlanticRebel · 2012-05-02, 02:05 PM

That's why it should be an option, not a default setting.

For me personally, everything I record has new air dates, but older episodes do not, hence the problem. I could end up having new episodes being deleted before I see them, just because there were a few old episodes shown without air dates listed.

- M

DSgamby · 2012-05-02, 02:06 PM

But what it the guide was wrong and you missed a new episode that did not have the air date on it?

Chrome69 · 2012-05-02, 04:51 PM

wonder who is responsible for inputting that data, the channel or Bell? Never seen that with Directv. Kind of sucks as my receiver is allways busy recording shows i have seen or not interested in as they are 3 years old lol. One day i will have to grab me a new dual PVR

AtlanticRebel · 2012-05-03, 06:24 PM

@Chrome69
A third party company provides the bulk guide data to the providers, I know Shaw uses a company called Tribune, at least they used to when I worked for them. I would assume Bell uses someone else, as I have noticed that Shaw had much more accurate guide info(FYI, DirecTV is one of Tribunes clients for data).

@DSgamby
I keep up to date with my recordings, it would be easier to restore a single skipped event, than manually skip the multitude of junk entries with no air date. Example, Bell guide stores 9 days, a search for "The Simpsons" returns 275 entries, narrowed a bit by HD option, a VuPass for this would still create in excess of 25 useless recordings due to entries with no air date specified.

- M

DSgamby · 2012-05-03, 07:04 PM

Yes for you but most people do not keep up with their recordings.

AtlanticRebel · 2012-05-03, 08:06 PM

Again, the point of making it an option, not a default. I'm sure not everyone would use it, however, there will probably be a bunch of people that say: "Hey, that's a great idea!" The issue does not overly affect new episodes of stuff, this is mainly an issue with older seasons, where the data is just not present.

- M

DSgamby · 2012-05-03, 09:00 PM

I agree that your suggestion should be an option but they way it is should be the default option.

AtlanticRebel · 2012-05-03, 09:25 PM

Absolutely, otherwise, majority of laypeople would be too daft to figure it out.

- M

2012-05-02, 09:25 AM	#1
Chrome69 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 18	PVR Functions? I currently have both a 6131 and 6141 with ext HDD hooked up now both work fine in recording shows but here is the problem i am having. When i setup to record a show on a weekly basis say The First 48 which comes on Thursdays at 9pm. Now if i set up to record only "New" episodes it will record all of them and that show has over 300 episodes (seems like its more new to the receiver than actual new episode) So if i set it to weekly at the said time 9pm that's fine but it will record a repeat if their isn't a new episode. Worst part sometimes on A&E they like to run back to back new episodes. How do i work around this? Am i missing something or did Bell/Dish Network drop the ball on limitations for the PVR? I Have Played with Directv DVR before and it would handle this perfect any suggestions?

2012-05-02, 12:06 PM	#2
timmaywpg Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 217	First of all the programming info needs to be set correctly (i.e. new/old episode tags) for your PVR to function properly. I believe that if you set up a season recording the PVR will record an episode by default if the tags are missing. I was also under the impression that "new" episodes - if tagged properly - will only record episodes in the current season. __________________ LG 47LK520 - Denon 1910 - Bell 6400 - Harmony 720 - Optoma HD200x -Pro-Ject Xpression III

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57 Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Rogers, 8300HD, eHDD, Panasonic TCP65S1, Denon AVR4310Ci; 8300HD, eHDD & Sony KDL40W3000 Posts: 50,295	Which means that if the IPG information is incorrect, which it sometimes (often?) is, then it doesn't work as "intended". __________________ 57's Home Theatre (Latest equipment & photos) 57's Optimization Services (Home Theatre Optimization)

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2012-05-02, 12:11 PM	#3
Chrome69 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 18	so how would i set up tags? never seen that in the menu?

2012-05-02, 12:13 PM	#4
DSgamby Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Posts: 3,895	You don't. The company that does the program schedule and program info does.

2012-05-02, 01:37 PM	#6
AtlanticRebel Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gander, NL Posts: 109	I would really like to see Bell add an option to timers, to skip any program that does not have an air date listed. It shouldn't be that hard to do, I assume they are using a database driven guide, therefore, all that needs to be done is add a checkbox that adds an extra condition to the query. I have noticed that since switching over from Shaw, my receiver is clogged with old episodes of stuff, as Bell assumes if no air date is specified, it must be new, quite annoying, especially on Pass timers. Sadly, the guide information is not a Bell problem, but whichever company supplies the data(Tribune?). - M

2012-05-02, 01:51 PM	#7
DSgamby Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Posts: 3,895	But what happens if there is no air date and it is a new episode? You would miss the show. Most people would rather that they delete the episode that they watched already then not see an episode because the PVR did not record it.

2012-05-02, 02:05 PM	#8
AtlanticRebel Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gander, NL Posts: 109	That's why it should be an option, not a default setting. For me personally, everything I record has new air dates, but older episodes do not, hence the problem. I could end up having new episodes being deleted before I see them, just because there were a few old episodes shown without air dates listed. - M

2012-05-02, 02:06 PM	#9
DSgamby Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Posts: 3,895	But what it the guide was wrong and you missed a new episode that did not have the air date on it?

2012-05-02, 04:51 PM	#10
Chrome69 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 18	wonder who is responsible for inputting that data, the channel or Bell? Never seen that with Directv. Kind of sucks as my receiver is allways busy recording shows i have seen or not interested in as they are 3 years old lol. One day i will have to grab me a new dual PVR

2012-05-03, 06:24 PM	#11
AtlanticRebel Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gander, NL Posts: 109	@Chrome69 A third party company provides the bulk guide data to the providers, I know Shaw uses a company called Tribune, at least they used to when I worked for them. I would assume Bell uses someone else, as I have noticed that Shaw had much more accurate guide info(FYI, DirecTV is one of Tribunes clients for data). @DSgamby I keep up to date with my recordings, it would be easier to restore a single skipped event, than manually skip the multitude of junk entries with no air date. Example, Bell guide stores 9 days, a search for "The Simpsons" returns 275 entries, narrowed a bit by HD option, a VuPass for this would still create in excess of 25 useless recordings due to entries with no air date specified. - M

2012-05-03, 07:04 PM	#12
DSgamby Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Posts: 3,895	Yes for you but most people do not keep up with their recordings.

2012-05-03, 08:06 PM	#13
AtlanticRebel Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gander, NL Posts: 109	Again, the point of making it an option, not a default. I'm sure not everyone would use it, however, there will probably be a bunch of people that say: "Hey, that's a great idea!" The issue does not overly affect new episodes of stuff, this is mainly an issue with older seasons, where the data is just not present. - M

2012-05-03, 09:00 PM	#14
DSgamby Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Posts: 3,895	I agree that your suggestion should be an option but they way it is should be the default option.

2012-05-03, 09:25 PM	#15
AtlanticRebel Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gander, NL Posts: 109	Absolutely, otherwise, majority of laypeople would be too daft to figure it out. - M