Nimiq 6 (New Bell Satellite) Discussion - Canadian TV, Computing and Home Theatre Forums

frenchhomer · 2012-03-19, 03:57 PM

On March 15th Nimiq 6 arrived at Baikonur in preparation for a May 17th launch on the Proton-M/Briz-M vehicle. Nimiq 6 will be placed at 91.1.

primehifi · 2012-03-19, 04:39 PM

I forget the upshot of this sat but I seem to recall reading that it provides no additional bandwidth, so no real gains from this sat, besides replacing the current bird there?

Would love to be corrected on this.

Pinza · 2012-03-19, 05:39 PM

You are correct, nothing new, just more powerful than the 2 birds at 91 degrees right now.

The footprint will also change and cut off most of the US.

jdevlin · 2012-03-19, 05:43 PM

Satellite Name: Nimiq 6
Status: planned
Position: 91° W (91° W)
Norad:
Cospar number:
Operator: Telesat Canada Ltd.
Launch date: 30-Jun-2012 (Estimated)
Launch site: Baikonur Cosmodrome
Launch vehicle: Proton M
Launch mass (kg): 4745
Dry mass (kg):
Manufacturer: Space Systems Loral (SSL)
Model (bus): LS-1300
Orbit: GEO
Expected lifetime: 15 yrs.
Call sign:
Beacon(s):
Details:32 high powered Ku-band transponders. Bell TV has agreed to fully lease this new satellite for its lifetime to serve the fast-growing number of Bell TV subscribers across Canada.
Beams:Ku-band Canada beam (predicted)

Nimiq6 from Telsat.

http://www.telesat.com/satellite-fleet/nimiq/nimiq-6

Pinza · 2012-03-19, 05:47 PM

See that is what I just said. Nothing new.

primehifi · 2012-03-19, 06:08 PM

Pretty poor planning and spending of money on their part, no?

ChannelMaster · 2012-03-19, 07:00 PM

Hummm. Is it true that Bell enjoys a "fast growing number of subscribers" over satellite?

scrooloose · 2012-03-19, 07:12 PM

Nimiq 1 is 13 years old, so it's time for a replacement. It's actually good planning.

-Mike

nic78 · 2012-03-19, 07:32 PM

No more Bell TV for snowbirds in Florida. Yes it is not allowed by Bell but there well be thousands of upset subscribers, and possible cancelled subs.

Pinza · 2012-03-19, 08:09 PM

Lots of cheap Receivers on Kijiji then.

Blackloz · 2012-03-20, 08:15 AM

Quote:

The footprint will also change and cut off most of the US.

Thankfully I will still be good to go with the standard Dish 500.

MCIBUS · 2012-03-20, 08:58 AM

Looking at that map, why does the singal reach so far into the Atlantic Ocean?

Also with a stronger singa;l does this mean less chance of rain fade?

nic78 · 2012-03-20, 09:31 AM

It will help to some degree but it would be impossible to totally eliminate rain fade. The big cause of rain fade I noticed when I had Bell TV was not the weather locally where I lived but a down pour at the uplink center in Toronto. Bell should have a second uplink center else where in the country.

primehifi · 2012-03-20, 12:51 PM

Yes I understand that n1 is dying but to put a new sat up with the same bandwidth as their current sat at that position, during a time when they're so strapped for space, to me seems like poor planning.

They've basically said "well, we have no bandwidth now, so lets have no extra bandwidth for the next 14~ years, unless we spend more money again on another launch for two birds or a replacement at 91".

ScaryBob · 2012-03-20, 01:27 PM

There is no more bandwidth available for DBS at 92. Satellite frequencies are regulated, just like any other broadcasting. Bell was assigned a third satellite at 72 but sold the entire capacity to Dish network in the US. Bell has opted, instead, to use more compression and better compression technology (MPEG4.) The higher power provided by N6 may also allow Bell to use more efficient error correction methods and add more channels.

2012-03-19, 03:57 PM	#1
frenchhomer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 111	Nimiq 6 (New Bell Satellite) Discussion On March 15th Nimiq 6 arrived at Baikonur in preparation for a May 17th launch on the Proton-M/Briz-M vehicle. Nimiq 6 will be placed at 91.1.

2012-03-19, 07:00 PM	#7
ChannelMaster Join Date: May 2011 Location: Longueuil Posts: 410	Hummm. Is it true that Bell enjoys a "fast growing number of subscribers" over satellite? __________________ Going digital with a pair of CM4228a pointing due south fed into a Winegard SD-3700 antenna coupler @220 ft

2012-03-19, 07:12 PM	#8
scrooloose Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Grimsby, Ont. Posts: 3,117	Nimiq 1 is 13 years old, so it's time for a replacement. It's actually good planning. -Mike __________________ Pioneer PRO-110FD \| Pioneer VSX-92TXH \| BELL 9242 \| Panasonic DMP-BD35 \| XBOX 360 \|WD TV Live Hub

2012-03-20, 01:27 PM	#15
ScaryBob Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Dandelion City Posts: 7,133	There is no more bandwidth available for DBS at 92. Satellite frequencies are regulated, just like any other broadcasting. Bell was assigned a third satellite at 72 but sold the entire capacity to Dish network in the US. Bell has opted, instead, to use more compression and better compression technology (MPEG4.) The higher power provided by N6 may also allow Bell to use more efficient error correction methods and add more channels. __________________ At 20 I had a good mind. At 40 I had money. At 60 I've lost my mind and my money. Oh, to be 20 again. --Scary

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2012-03-19, 04:39 PM	#2
primehifi Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 141	I forget the upshot of this sat but I seem to recall reading that it provides no additional bandwidth, so no real gains from this sat, besides replacing the current bird there? Would love to be corrected on this.

2012-03-19, 05:39 PM	#3
Pinza Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GTA Posts: 8,572	You are correct, nothing new, just more powerful than the 2 birds at 91 degrees right now. The footprint will also change and cut off most of the US.

2012-03-19, 05:43 PM	#4
jdevlin Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wainfleet Posts: 464	Satellite Name: Nimiq 6 Status: planned Position: 91° W (91° W) Norad: Cospar number: Operator: Telesat Canada Ltd. Launch date: 30-Jun-2012 (Estimated) Launch site: Baikonur Cosmodrome Launch vehicle: Proton M Launch mass (kg): 4745 Dry mass (kg): Manufacturer: Space Systems Loral (SSL) Model (bus): LS-1300 Orbit: GEO Expected lifetime: 15 yrs. Call sign: Beacon(s): Details:32 high powered Ku-band transponders. Bell TV has agreed to fully lease this new satellite for its lifetime to serve the fast-growing number of Bell TV subscribers across Canada. Beams:Ku-band Canada beam (predicted) Nimiq6 from Telsat. http://www.telesat.com/satellite-fleet/nimiq/nimiq-6

2012-03-19, 05:47 PM	#5
Pinza Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GTA Posts: 8,572	See that is what I just said. Nothing new.

2012-03-19, 06:08 PM	#6
primehifi Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 141	Pretty poor planning and spending of money on their part, no?

2012-03-19, 07:32 PM	#9
nic78 Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 223	No more Bell TV for snowbirds in Florida. Yes it is not allowed by Bell but there well be thousands of upset subscribers, and possible cancelled subs.

2012-03-19, 08:09 PM	#10
Pinza Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GTA Posts: 8,572	Lots of cheap Receivers on Kijiji then.

2012-03-20, 08:58 AM	#12
MCIBUS Veteran Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,071	Looking at that map, why does the singal reach so far into the Atlantic Ocean? Also with a stronger singa;l does this mean less chance of rain fade?

2012-03-20, 09:31 AM	#13
nic78 Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 223	It will help to some degree but it would be impossible to totally eliminate rain fade. The big cause of rain fade I noticed when I had Bell TV was not the weather locally where I lived but a down pour at the uplink center in Toronto. Bell should have a second uplink center else where in the country.

2012-03-20, 12:51 PM	#14
primehifi Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 141	Yes I understand that n1 is dying but to put a new sat up with the same bandwidth as their current sat at that position, during a time when they're so strapped for space, to me seems like poor planning. They've basically said "well, we have no bandwidth now, so lets have no extra bandwidth for the next 14~ years, unless we spend more money again on another launch for two birds or a replacement at 91".