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roger1818 · 2012-04-18, 12:07 AM

I guess it all depends which would be more profitable.

cm3020prob · 2012-04-18, 10:54 AM

tvlurker, it's odd, Zap2It TV Listings is time-zone adjusted. If I select Shaw Direct (Classic) and compare CHBC (326) with CHAN (336), the schedule is exactly the same, at the same time, except Global National, just like it says on wikipedia.

But Vancouver and Kelowna are in the same time zone (Pacific), so why is globaltv's website listing CHBC with a 1-hour delay?

roger1818 · 2012-04-18, 11:43 AM

^^^That certainly is strange. The 1 hour delay is only in the afternoon and primetime schedules. Between 12am & 12pm as well as 3 & 7 pm the schedules on both zap2it and Global's website agree, but they are quite different for CHBC for both early afternoon and primetime.

tvlurker · 2012-04-18, 12:19 PM

I checked the Kelowna Daily Courier TV listing (which use zap2it from Tribune Media, as well), and CHBC and CHAN (CHKL) both show identical programming except during the news blocks in both the cable and broadcast listings for postal code V1Y 7V1.

I heard Global uses Rovi for their PSIP EPG, so perhaps Rovi's listings are different? I don't seem to be able to independently access any Rovi-based Canadian listings online, so I cannot check.

Emerald_Boar · 2012-04-23, 03:29 PM

CIII-DT-6 Ottawa to be modified.

Technical amendment (including a change of channel)

https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/inst...PST=A&Lang=eng

I wonder what RF that they will used.

Hopefully Shaw will do the same thing here. (Paris site) Using rf 46 =D.
Or bringing Sarnia site closer to London. Aka using the CHCH site rf 24 or rf 29.

read ya l8r,
Al

micah · 2012-04-23, 03:33 PM

Says they're moving to 14, so I doubt they can do it in Paris with CITS so close in London. Hopefully something is done. Ideally I'd like them to stay between 7 and 12 since it works with my setup.

roger1818 · 2012-04-23, 03:45 PM

Just because they are using RF14 in Ottawa doesn't mean they have to use the same channel in Paris. I have said all along that Global's Paris transmitter should be moved to Woodstock, but that may not happen.

micah · 2012-04-23, 03:47 PM

Totally -- hopefully something is in the works. If not, it kind of shows that they care about Ottawa but not SW Ontario.

roger1818 · 2012-04-23, 04:10 PM

Most likely there is. The CRTC released a bunch of applications from Shaw last week for BC DTV transmitters, so there is a good chance the application has already been filed and the delay is likely from the CRTC itself. If not, they could still be working out the details (co-ordination with several parties is often necessary).

Also, the Ottawa application is going through a public hearing. If the Paris application was rubber stamped, it would take longer for it to be published.

OTA-London · 2012-04-23, 04:12 PM

I just got an email back from the VP of Operations at Shaw Media, here it is.

Quote:

The Sarnia-Oil Springs engineering analysis is in progress, and as per my prior correspondence with you, our target is to have Sarnia-Oil Springs transitioned to digital by the end of the year, subject to regulatory approvals and vendor timelines.
As well, Shaw greatly appreciates your feedback regarding viewership in London. We are taking your comments into consideration as we review our options.

micah · 2012-04-23, 04:48 PM

Ask them to just move it closer and pump up the power.

Jase88 · 2012-04-23, 04:52 PM

Anyone else lose PSIP EPG data for Paris and Toronto?

tvlurker · 2012-04-23, 04:54 PM

I lost PSIP EPG data yesterday on 6.1 Ottawa, but strangely enough not on 41.2 (the SD version) Ottawa. They're both on RF 6.
(Actually - not lost. I think it said 8AM - 8PM Digital Program, which is not the same thing as "No Data" on CBC, SRC, or the local french channels in Ottawa.)
I haven't checked today yet.

Bark64 · 2012-04-24, 10:27 AM

I would certainly be in favour of them moving ch 6 paris to the uhf band. But unfortunately with London being so good or bad for tropo (depending on your viewpoint) there aren't many open channels that wouldn't suffer from severe tropo. You have to worry about Detroit, Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo and Toronto plus the stronger channels out of Flint, Lansing, Rochester....The least affected channels would seem to be 27, 35 or 46. Another possibility would be channel 29 after the cbc shuts off their analog signal out of kitchener on July 31. All the other channels would suffer from moderate to severe tropo. If they wanted to move to vhf hi then maybe channel 11 might work. Not a lot of good choices though.

micah · 2012-04-24, 10:39 AM

Isn't CH in Hamilton still on 11

2012-04-18, 12:07 AM	#151
roger1818 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa (Stittsville), ON, OTA (Radio Shack Omnidirectional Antenna and 5Y6S in Attic), MythTV HTPC Posts: 5,605	I guess it all depends which would be more profitable. __________________ Link to my TVFool results is in my profile Homepage URL. I suggest others do the same.

2012-04-18, 10:54 AM	#152
cm3020prob Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 277	tvlurker, it's odd, Zap2It TV Listings is time-zone adjusted. If I select Shaw Direct (Classic) and compare CHBC (326) with CHAN (336), the schedule is exactly the same, at the same time, except Global National, just like it says on wikipedia. But Vancouver and Kelowna are in the same time zone (Pacific), so why is globaltv's website listing CHBC with a 1-hour delay? __________________ CM-3020 with CM-7777

2012-04-18, 11:43 AM	#153
roger1818 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa (Stittsville), ON, OTA (Radio Shack Omnidirectional Antenna and 5Y6S in Attic), MythTV HTPC Posts: 5,605	^^^That certainly is strange. The 1 hour delay is only in the afternoon and primetime schedules. Between 12am & 12pm as well as 3 & 7 pm the schedules on both zap2it and Global's website agree, but they are quite different for CHBC for both early afternoon and primetime. __________________ Link to my TVFool results is in my profile Homepage URL. I suggest others do the same.

2012-04-23, 03:29 PM	#155
Emerald_Boar Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: (SoHo area) London ON Posts: 600	CIII-DT-6 Ottawa to be modified. Technical amendment (including a change of channel) https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/inst...PST=A&Lang=eng I wonder what RF that they will used. Hopefully Shaw will do the same thing here. (Paris site) Using rf 46 =D. Or bringing Sarnia site closer to London. Aka using the CHCH site rf 24 or rf 29. read ya l8r, Al __________________ OTA: DB8 + Y5 2-6 + CM777. FTA: 30W + 72W + 87W + 97W

2012-04-23, 03:33 PM	#156
micah Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London,Ontario Posts: 421	Says they're moving to 14, so I doubt they can do it in Paris with CITS so close in London. Hopefully something is done. Ideally I'd like them to stay between 7 and 12 since it works with my setup. __________________ Winegard HD 7084P pointed at Paris and a CM7777

2012-04-18, 12:19 PM	#154
tvlurker Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Craig Henry (Greenbank/Hunt Club), Nepean, ON Posts: 2,729	I checked the Kelowna Daily Courier TV listing (which use zap2it from Tribune Media, as well), and CHBC and CHAN (CHKL) both show identical programming except during the news blocks in both the cable and broadcast listings for postal code V1Y 7V1. I heard Global uses Rovi for their PSIP EPG, so perhaps Rovi's listings are different? I don't seem to be able to independently access any Rovi-based Canadian listings online, so I cannot check.

2012-04-23, 03:45 PM	#157
roger1818 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa (Stittsville), ON, OTA (Radio Shack Omnidirectional Antenna and 5Y6S in Attic), MythTV HTPC Posts: 5,605	Just because they are using RF14 in Ottawa doesn't mean they have to use the same channel in Paris. I have said all along that Global's Paris transmitter should be moved to Woodstock, but that may not happen. __________________ Link to my TVFool results is in my profile Homepage URL. I suggest others do the same.

2012-04-23, 03:47 PM	#158
micah Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London,Ontario Posts: 421	Totally -- hopefully something is in the works. If not, it kind of shows that they care about Ottawa but not SW Ontario. __________________ Winegard HD 7084P pointed at Paris and a CM7777

2012-04-23, 04:10 PM	#159
roger1818 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa (Stittsville), ON, OTA (Radio Shack Omnidirectional Antenna and 5Y6S in Attic), MythTV HTPC Posts: 5,605	Most likely there is. The CRTC released a bunch of applications from Shaw last week for BC DTV transmitters, so there is a good chance the application has already been filed and the delay is likely from the CRTC itself. If not, they could still be working out the details (co-ordination with several parties is often necessary). Also, the Ottawa application is going through a public hearing. If the Paris application was rubber stamped, it would take longer for it to be published. __________________ Link to my TVFool results is in my profile Homepage URL. I suggest others do the same.

2012-04-23, 04:48 PM	#161
micah Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London,Ontario Posts: 421	Ask them to just move it closer and pump up the power. __________________ Winegard HD 7084P pointed at Paris and a CM7777

2012-04-23, 04:52 PM	#162
Jase88 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kitchener, ON Posts: 4,104	PSIP Anyone else lose PSIP EPG data for Paris and Toronto? __________________ DMX 68' tower, HyGain HAM 5 rotator, Antennas Direct 91-XG & C5, Channel Master 7777 preamp, Siemens surge protection

2012-04-23, 04:54 PM	#163
tvlurker Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Craig Henry (Greenbank/Hunt Club), Nepean, ON Posts: 2,729	I lost PSIP EPG data yesterday on 6.1 Ottawa, but strangely enough not on 41.2 (the SD version) Ottawa. They're both on RF 6. (Actually - not lost. I think it said 8AM - 8PM Digital Program, which is not the same thing as "No Data" on CBC, SRC, or the local french channels in Ottawa.) I haven't checked today yet.

2012-04-24, 10:27 AM	#164
Bark64 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: London, On Posts: 167	Paris global I would certainly be in favour of them moving ch 6 paris to the uhf band. But unfortunately with London being so good or bad for tropo (depending on your viewpoint) there aren't many open channels that wouldn't suffer from severe tropo. You have to worry about Detroit, Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo and Toronto plus the stronger channels out of Flint, Lansing, Rochester....The least affected channels would seem to be 27, 35 or 46. Another possibility would be channel 29 after the cbc shuts off their analog signal out of kitchener on July 31. All the other channels would suffer from moderate to severe tropo. If they wanted to move to vhf hi then maybe channel 11 might work. Not a lot of good choices though. __________________ CM 4221hd, CM 7777, CM 9521A, 30 foot tower

2012-04-24, 10:39 AM	#165
micah Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London,Ontario Posts: 421	Isn't CH in Hamilton still on 11 __________________ Winegard HD 7084P pointed at Paris and a CM7777

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