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stampeder · 2011-09-05, 03:12 PM

This thread carries on from the previous TVOntario & TFO DTV Transition Status thread, which is now closed.

Pre1ude · 2011-09-05, 07:24 PM

Is TVO 19.1 Toronto at their full 106kw power?

PanaMark · 2011-09-06, 08:00 AM

Paris transmitter 28-1 TVO RF28 continues to be plagued by data stream issues. Two of my three televisions can pull it in with lots of signal while one television cannot decode picture but has 86% signal strength.

Then there is the London transmitter which takes some time to decode (5 seconds) on some sets but does not want to decide if it will be on 18-1 TVO RF18 or start @ 18-2 then remap to 18-1.

OTANUT · 2011-09-06, 03:27 PM

Just turned on the tv and TVO is back on 32-1 and it maps as TVO now!!! Still in 480i though!! And the time is ~7 minutes fast. At least they are doing some work on it......can't wait to see some HD!

Phil81 · 2011-09-06, 06:54 PM

Whatever was done to CICO-32 Windsor today made it work again on the converter box instead of getting a "No Program" message, likely related to the DC-II they had been sending. Actually get a tad nervous when they start tweaking the PSIP/data stream again, it seems to finally decode on one tuner box/TV but then break on another when it worked fine before hand.

Other than that though, starting to wonder if they will ever have a 1080i signal at all down here...100% 480i since day one.

shazeldine · 2011-09-06, 09:05 PM

I have 2 different dtv boxes both from 2008.
1. Artec T3A
2. Venturer STB7766G

TVO 32 is now working properly on these 2 boxes were it would show no program before. The guide is all blank and the time is wrong.

Jase88 · 2011-09-06, 09:40 PM

Pre1ude, yes, the Toronto transmitter (and all TVO post-transition transmitters) are at their correct allocated ERP.

Nester5000 · 2011-09-07, 09:33 PM

Both Sony TVs and Samsung HD box now able to scan in TVO 32.1. Just need the switch to HD now.

OTANUT · 2011-09-08, 05:07 PM

Got word today from TVO that the HD feed between Chatham and Windsor is broke and it will take 3-4 weeks to repair it!!! 480i for another month...

PanaMark · 2011-09-09, 08:22 AM

One of my Panasonic Viera televisions still cannot decode 28-1 TVO RF28 Paris. There is plenty of signal 80% but no video, nor audio.Then over on channel 18-1 TVO RF18 London it maps 18-2 then back to 18-1. Also the channel audio lags the picture when first changing to 18-1.
There you go technicians, if you follow the forum, get er fixed.

ImHooked · 2011-09-10, 07:11 AM

TVO is no trouble mapping 18.1 on our either our Sony or Dynex tvs. However, their guide data has been long gone and both of the above tvs map in a subchannel of 18.65535. 65535..Reminiscent of my machine language days...but I digress.

28 has a different but equally rediculous subchannel number.

Bark64 · 2011-09-10, 09:39 AM

This morning my tv won't decode tvo london at all. If I bring up the signal meter I get snr 31 and 97 % but the virtual channel box stays blank. If I force it by manually punching in channel 18-1, I get a blank channel with no info. The same thing happened last weekend, friday and half of saturday and then it worked fine after that. Luckily 28-1 works fine so I still have tvo. I am using a 4 year old Toshiba LCD. I haven't had any issues with any of the other digital channels, even 51-1 has been fine. Very strange, tvo seems to be having some real issues with their data stream. Anybody else in London having this problem. Funny Panamark has issues with 28-1 and I am having isuues with 18-1.

Jase88 · 2011-09-10, 01:54 PM

I'm not having issues with 28.1 Paris or 19.1 Toronto. There is some guide data, but it's no longer as far into the future as it was shortly after transition. I now have about a day or so of data.

Panamark: This "lots of signal but no audio/video" issue...does it happen one all sets at the same time? Or just the one tuner?

PanaMark · 2011-09-10, 08:21 PM

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Panamark: This "lots of signal but no audio/video" issue...does it happen one all sets at the same time? Or just the one tuner?

I have an older Panasonic Plasma that is having this issue. Now today when I went to check on it the picture and sound were there but the PISP read 28-1 WCMZ from the previous night's tropo from Michigan.

My Samsung has continues to be plagued with PISP issues from London 18-1 as now it just reads 18-1, no description. They must be trying to repair these issues.

Actually tonight my newer Panasonic will not display sound or picture for London TVO.

Jase88 · 2011-09-10, 08:50 PM

While most other Canadian stations/networks have had at least a few years of digital "experience", TVO is unfortunately late to the digital OTA game. I'm sure there will be issues for some time as their technical staff catch up on the learning curve.

The other issue that I suspect for the Paris transmitter is microwave fade. While I'm not certain that TVO Paris is fed by microwave, I suspect that CIII Paris is. Thus my question of whether the issue impacted all sets at the same time.

If TVO London is fed by microwave, you'll find similar fade issues during periods of temperature change, fog, heavy rain, etc.

I might bike by the Paris site tomorrow to see if there's fibre heading into the site....just for my own curiosity. Maybe RFMAN can comment?

2011-09-05, 03:12 PM	#1
stampeder OTA Forum Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Delta, BC (96Av x 116St) Posts: 23,338	OTA NETWORK Status: TVOntario & TFO This thread carries on from the previous TVOntario & TFO DTV Transition Status thread, which is now closed.

2011-09-06, 08:00 AM	#3
PanaMark Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 818	TVO still has some issues in data stream Paris transmitter 28-1 TVO RF28 continues to be plagued by data stream issues. Two of my three televisions can pull it in with lots of signal while one television cannot decode picture but has 86% signal strength. Then there is the London transmitter which takes some time to decode (5 seconds) on some sets but does not want to decide if it will be on 18-1 TVO RF18 or start @ 18-2 then remap to 18-1. __________________ roof mounted 35ft UHF Antennas Direct XG91, VHF Delhi VIP 302SR, RC 6292, Tii Coaxial Lightning Surge Protection

2011-09-06, 03:27 PM	#4
OTANUT Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Holly, MI Posts: 181	TVO 32-1 Windsor Just turned on the tv and TVO is back on 32-1 and it maps as TVO now!!! Still in 480i though!! And the time is ~7 minutes fast. At least they are doing some work on it......can't wait to see some HD!

2011-09-06, 06:54 PM	#5
Phil81 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Leamington, Ontario Posts: 476	Whatever was done to CICO-32 Windsor today made it work again on the converter box instead of getting a "No Program" message, likely related to the DC-II they had been sending. Actually get a tad nervous when they start tweaking the PSIP/data stream again, it seems to finally decode on one tuner box/TV but then break on another when it worked fine before hand. Other than that though, starting to wonder if they will ever have a 1080i signal at all down here...100% 480i since day one. __________________ AD 91XG (UHF) / WG 7084p (VHF) / CM7777 (p.)

2011-09-06, 09:05 PM	#6
shazeldine Rookie Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Southgate, MI Posts: 2	Winsor 32 update I have 2 different dtv boxes both from 2008. 1. Artec T3A 2. Venturer STB7766G TVO 32 is now working properly on these 2 boxes were it would show no program before. The guide is all blank and the time is wrong.

2011-09-05, 07:24 PM	#2
Pre1ude Rookie Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Scugog, On Posts: 8	Is TVO 19.1 Toronto at their full 106kw power?

2011-09-06, 09:40 PM	#7
Jase88 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kitchener, ON Posts: 4,108	Pre1ude, yes, the Toronto transmitter (and all TVO post-transition transmitters) are at their correct allocated ERP. __________________ DMX 68' tower, HyGain HAM 5 rotator, Antennas Direct 91-XG & C5, Channel Master 7777 preamp, Siemens surge protection

2011-09-07, 09:33 PM	#8
Nester5000 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Windsor, Ont. Posts: 119	Both Sony TVs and Samsung HD box now able to scan in TVO 32.1. Just need the switch to HD now.

2011-09-08, 05:07 PM	#9
OTANUT Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Holly, MI Posts: 181	TVO 32-1 Windsor Got word today from TVO that the HD feed between Chatham and Windsor is broke and it will take 3-4 weeks to repair it!!! 480i for another month...

2011-09-09, 08:22 AM	#10
PanaMark Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 818	One of my Panasonic Viera televisions still cannot decode 28-1 TVO RF28 Paris. There is plenty of signal 80% but no video, nor audio.Then over on channel 18-1 TVO RF18 London it maps 18-2 then back to 18-1. Also the channel audio lags the picture when first changing to 18-1. There you go technicians, if you follow the forum, get er fixed. __________________ roof mounted 35ft UHF Antennas Direct XG91, VHF Delhi VIP 302SR, RC 6292, Tii Coaxial Lightning Surge Protection

2011-09-10, 07:11 AM	#11
ImHooked Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: (Crumlin) London Posts: 109	18.1 mapping TVO is no trouble mapping 18.1 on our either our Sony or Dynex tvs. However, their guide data has been long gone and both of the above tvs map in a subchannel of 18.65535. 65535..Reminiscent of my machine language days...but I digress. 28 has a different but equally rediculous subchannel number. __________________ DBGH, Y10-7-13 clone, Antennacraft 10G202, 25' (wish I could go higher)

2011-09-10, 09:39 AM	#12
Bark64 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: London, On Posts: 167	no virtual channel number. This morning my tv won't decode tvo london at all. If I bring up the signal meter I get snr 31 and 97 % but the virtual channel box stays blank. If I force it by manually punching in channel 18-1, I get a blank channel with no info. The same thing happened last weekend, friday and half of saturday and then it worked fine after that. Luckily 28-1 works fine so I still have tvo. I am using a 4 year old Toshiba LCD. I haven't had any issues with any of the other digital channels, even 51-1 has been fine. Very strange, tvo seems to be having some real issues with their data stream. Anybody else in London having this problem. Funny Panamark has issues with 28-1 and I am having isuues with 18-1.

2011-09-10, 01:54 PM	#13
Jase88 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kitchener, ON Posts: 4,108	I'm not having issues with 28.1 Paris or 19.1 Toronto. There is some guide data, but it's no longer as far into the future as it was shortly after transition. I now have about a day or so of data. Panamark: This "lots of signal but no audio/video" issue...does it happen one all sets at the same time? Or just the one tuner? __________________ DMX 68' tower, HyGain HAM 5 rotator, Antennas Direct 91-XG & C5, Channel Master 7777 preamp, Siemens surge protection

2011-09-10, 08:50 PM	#15
Jase88 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kitchener, ON Posts: 4,108	While most other Canadian stations/networks have had at least a few years of digital "experience", TVO is unfortunately late to the digital OTA game. I'm sure there will be issues for some time as their technical staff catch up on the learning curve. The other issue that I suspect for the Paris transmitter is microwave fade. While I'm not certain that TVO Paris is fed by microwave, I suspect that CIII Paris is. Thus my question of whether the issue impacted all sets at the same time. If TVO London is fed by microwave, you'll find similar fade issues during periods of temperature change, fog, heavy rain, etc. I might bike by the Paris site tomorrow to see if there's fibre heading into the site....just for my own curiosity. Maybe RFMAN can comment? __________________ DMX 68' tower, HyGain HAM 5 rotator, Antennas Direct 91-XG & C5, Channel Master 7777 preamp, Siemens surge protection

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