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Kraven · 2011-08-28, 10:34 AM

Thanks. I'll set to 12055//6890 (as per Dr Sat) and try to lock on to 72W.

Cheers, K

Kraven · 2011-08-30, 08:30 AM

Spent an hour on the roof last night to no avail. Can someone please confirm
there is a signal on AMC5 (72w), 12055/6890 ?? I used this as a point of reference and never got close.

Cheers, K

envirogeek · 2011-08-30, 09:59 AM

From personal experience with my own FTA aiming challenges, I am willing to bet your mast is not really stable and totally, truly plumb in all directions.

And/or your dish elevation angles are out of whack.

Kraven · 2011-08-30, 10:10 AM

The mass is level (really careful during the installation). Am sure the angles on the motor and dish are off which is the root of my problem.

Cheers, K

majortom · 2011-08-30, 09:56 PM

Kraven
U must mean AMC6 72W? Good man that's why I always say post both Name and Longitude position, lessens confusion...
That's an NBC Mux, signal is always there, but not every program has video on it 24/7.
If your receiving it, you'll scan in 4 channels for sure, named similar to below.

Code:

NBC Feed 1	AMC 6	72°W	12053	V	6890	  5/6	 	 	Variable--often national feed	Dec 06, 2010
NBC Feed 2	AMC 6	72°W	12053	V	6890	  5/6	 	 	CNBC, MSNBC, TWC, etc	Dec 06, 2010
NBC Feed 3	AMC 6	72°W	12053	V	6890	  5/6	 	 	 	Dec 06, 2010
NBC Feed 4	AMC 6	72°W	12053	V	6890	  5/6	 	 	 	Dec 06, 2010

Kraven · 2011-08-31, 08:25 AM

What a night. I took down the dish, confirmed the mass was level and the motor was at 0. put everything back up and set it to 12055//6890/auto/auto. When the signal reached 66% with 0 Quality, I did a blind scan and was on AMC9 (retro, tuff, KNBC x2, AMC9/F3) but no AMC6.

Am starting to think there is nothing on 12055. Am going to retry tonight w/ 12053 as MT suggests.

Cheers, K

PS- The S10 should be in by the end of the week. Afterwards, am taking this Viewsat Ultra and will catapult it off the Champlain bridge.

majortom · 2011-08-31, 05:57 PM

always try up & dn +/- a couple megahertz, especially on Ku Band, when trying to get a lock on posted feeds.
That NBC mux always has signal, and is QPSK, so shouldn't be difficult to find. If it still is, take a deep breath, few steps back
and think about what ur doing, as ur likely doing something wrong.

Unfortunately I don't have any real world experience with the small dishes/ Diseqc or USALS motor setups.
Just traditional C/Ku BUD dishes and fixed pizza dishes.

Tim Cake · 2011-08-31, 06:55 PM

Before you do anything, make sure the antenna mast is plumb -- check this with a magnetic torpedo level -- TWICE -- at right angles (12 o'clock and three o'clock on the mast). If the mast isn't plumb you will be assaulted by a never-ending string of aiming problems.

Make sure you get your latitude / longitude figures right -- there are a few sites on the internet that can give you this information based on you street address, city and postal code. If you are using USALS to move the dish motor, you will need to enter this information into the set top box.

You will also need to set the motor angle according to that information. You will then need to set this dish angle. Read the manual to see how to do this.

Kraven · 2011-09-01, 08:57 AM

Thanks MT! I used your numbers (12053/6869/v) and picked up 72W after 10 minutes (NBC mux quality at 70%).

Its not exactly aimed perfectly and the dish is still a tad loose but its a good start (initially I had 60% Quality until I moved the motor one notch to West).

Since I used the motor to improve quality, does this mean the LNB had to be skewed a bit?

Anywho, afterwards, I added the longitude and latitude and let USALS do the rest. Most satellites were dead on. However, since am using a viewsat ultra, the sat list wasnt complete and missing quite a few. The openbox S10 arrived yesterday and going to pick it up today.

Fun times ahead!

CHeers, K

Kraven · 2011-09-08, 11:06 AM

First off... Usals on the S10 blows! Being said, I now have most satellites programmed in via disq1.2. However, would anyone have strong transponders for amc16 (85w), galaxy 16 (99w), Anikf2 (111w) and Galaxy13 (127w) so I can complete the setup?

Also, is it normal that I can never seem to get more then 75% quality?

Cheers, K

HDTV Junkee · 2011-09-08, 06:41 PM

I know that you are working on C-Band, but in the event you need the Ku,

Here is what I use:

AMC 16 85 degrees west Ku 12035 H 3978

Galaxy 16 99 degrees west Ku Russian Media Group 11800 H 30000

majortom · 2011-09-08, 06:51 PM

127W
3800 V 30000 Bethel
4080 V 28076
4160 V 29270

99W
3740 V 30000
3770 V 14450
3820 V 26000
4000 H 26400

85W

11720 V 27600
11840 V 27600
11878 V 27600

Quote:

Also, is it normal that I can never seem to get more then 75% quality?

For the S9 on my antenna, yes. Strongest DVB-S2 8PSK signal I have seen so far "quality" wise are the
2 CBC mux on Anik F1, at ~ 85% Qual. I have seen ~ 90% Qual on some Galaxy 17 91W CBand DVB-S / QPSK Transponders though.
If I had to guess, probably 95% of what i get is in the 70's Qual wise. Other tuners I have will indicate higher, but that's all relative to each tuner eh...

magog45 · 2011-11-03, 07:59 PM

Ok I have been playing with ku-band fta for about 8 years now but have recently ventured into Cband and need a bit of clarification. I purchased the 6 foot polar mount dish and the gospell cband lnbf from Dr. Sat, installed the post(nice stainless steel one) and mounted the dish and lnbf. Pole is straight and all the measurements across the dish and such seem ok but when I scan SES2(AMC3) all I get is the Rogers Communication feed at 3973 and instead of vertical it shows up as horizontal, it is however at 70% quality so I'm thinking I have the dish pointed not too bad and should get some more channels. On the LNBF are a series of numbers 30 thru to 42 I think on the body of the LNBF and at the back the 0 thru 30 degrees to set the skew on the LNBF turned about 1.5 - 2 degrees as I'm not pointing at my due south. Just wondering if I am missing something, I set the focal point according to the assembly instructions for the dish although the scalar ring doesn't seem to grab the LNBF that good or perhaps the LNBF is out of phase, any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

dirtroad · 2011-11-08, 05:24 PM

Quote:

when I scan SES2(AMC3) all I get is the Rogers Communication feed at 3973 and instead of vertical it shows up as horizontal

magog45, Although I am not familiar with that feed, as I read your post my first thought was your lnbf was a quarter turn (90 degrees) out of alignment. Meaning all the Verticals will show as Horizontal and vice versa.

ta guy · 2012-03-18, 01:08 PM

Hello fta 'ers.I just installed a 90cm fortec star with an ariza single lnb and a 2year old kbox(new) receiver.As far as I know the lnb is good.I cover it up and the signal goes down a little and the coax is good because the in-line signal meter works.With a compass and the markings on the side of the dish I got as close as I could and then used the meter to dial in galaxy 19.Here's the problem,signal doesn't seem to mean much but quality is 20 but they're both red.Would I be right in thinking that I'm pointed at the wrong sat.

2011-08-30, 09:56 PM	#35
majortom Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,618	Kraven U must mean AMC6 72W? Good man that's why I always say post both Name and Longitude position, lessens confusion... That's an NBC Mux, signal is always there, but not every program has video on it 24/7. If your receiving it, you'll scan in 4 channels for sure, named similar to below. Code: NBC Feed 1 AMC 6 72°W 12053 V 6890 5/6 Variable--often national feed Dec 06, 2010 NBC Feed 2 AMC 6 72°W 12053 V 6890 5/6 CNBC, MSNBC, TWC, etc Dec 06, 2010 NBC Feed 3 AMC 6 72°W 12053 V 6890 5/6 Dec 06, 2010 NBC Feed 4 AMC 6 72°W 12053 V 6890 5/6 Dec 06, 2010 __________________ uhf/vhf combo rotor chimney mount homebrew vhf hi hpf ap-8700 preamp 4way split lg lcd dtt901 pctuner mythtv

2011-08-31, 05:57 PM	#37
majortom Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,618	always try up & dn +/- a couple megahertz, especially on Ku Band, when trying to get a lock on posted feeds. That NBC mux always has signal, and is QPSK, so shouldn't be difficult to find. If it still is, take a deep breath, few steps back and think about what ur doing, as ur likely doing something wrong. Unfortunately I don't have any real world experience with the small dishes/ Diseqc or USALS motor setups. Just traditional C/Ku BUD dishes and fixed pizza dishes. __________________ uhf/vhf combo rotor chimney mount homebrew vhf hi hpf ap-8700 preamp 4way split lg lcd dtt901 pctuner mythtv

2011-08-31, 06:55 PM	#38
Tim Cake Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wherever work takes me! Posts: 98	Lat / long Before you do anything, make sure the antenna mast is plumb -- check this with a magnetic torpedo level -- TWICE -- at right angles (12 o'clock and three o'clock on the mast). If the mast isn't plumb you will be assaulted by a never-ending string of aiming problems. Make sure you get your latitude / longitude figures right -- there are a few sites on the internet that can give you this information based on you street address, city and postal code. If you are using USALS to move the dish motor, you will need to enter this information into the set top box. You will also need to set the motor angle according to that information. You will then need to set this dish angle. Read the manual to see how to do this.

2011-11-03, 07:59 PM	#43
magog45 Rookie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 12	New to Cband FTA Ok I have been playing with ku-band fta for about 8 years now but have recently ventured into Cband and need a bit of clarification. I purchased the 6 foot polar mount dish and the gospell cband lnbf from Dr. Sat, installed the post(nice stainless steel one) and mounted the dish and lnbf. Pole is straight and all the measurements across the dish and such seem ok but when I scan SES2(AMC3) all I get is the Rogers Communication feed at 3973 and instead of vertical it shows up as horizontal, it is however at 70% quality so I'm thinking I have the dish pointed not too bad and should get some more channels. On the LNBF are a series of numbers 30 thru to 42 I think on the body of the LNBF and at the back the 0 thru 30 degrees to set the skew on the LNBF turned about 1.5 - 2 degrees as I'm not pointing at my due south. Just wondering if I am missing something, I set the focal point according to the assembly instructions for the dish although the scalar ring doesn't seem to grab the LNBF that good or perhaps the LNBF is out of phase, any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

2012-03-18, 01:08 PM	#45
ta guy Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Nova Scotia responsible firearm owner Posts: 243	help Hello fta 'ers.I just installed a 90cm fortec star with an ariza single lnb and a 2year old kbox(new) receiver.As far as I know the lnb is good.I cover it up and the signal goes down a little and the coax is good because the in-line signal meter works.With a compass and the markings on the side of the dish I got as close as I could and then used the meter to dial in galaxy 19.Here's the problem,signal doesn't seem to mean much but quality is 20 but they're both red.Would I be right in thinking that I'm pointed at the wrong sat.

2011-08-28, 10:34 AM	#31
Kraven Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Shore, QC Posts: 530	Thanks. I'll set to 12055//6890 (as per Dr Sat) and try to lock on to 72W. Cheers, K

2011-08-30, 08:30 AM	#32
Kraven Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Shore, QC Posts: 530	Spent an hour on the roof last night to no avail. Can someone please confirm there is a signal on AMC5 (72w), 12055/6890 ?? I used this as a point of reference and never got close. Cheers, K

2011-08-30, 09:59 AM	#33
envirogeek Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary - Shaw phone & internet, 4 bay OTA in attic / Pigeon Lake - CCI Wireless, 8 bay OTA on roof Posts: 572	From personal experience with my own FTA aiming challenges, I am willing to bet your mast is not really stable and totally, truly plumb in all directions. And/or your dish elevation angles are out of whack.

2011-08-30, 10:10 AM	#34
Kraven Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Shore, QC Posts: 530	The mass is level (really careful during the installation). Am sure the angles on the motor and dish are off which is the root of my problem. Cheers, K

2011-08-31, 08:25 AM	#36
Kraven Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Shore, QC Posts: 530	What a night. I took down the dish, confirmed the mass was level and the motor was at 0. put everything back up and set it to 12055//6890/auto/auto. When the signal reached 66% with 0 Quality, I did a blind scan and was on AMC9 (retro, tuff, KNBC x2, AMC9/F3) but no AMC6. Am starting to think there is nothing on 12055. Am going to retry tonight w/ 12053 as MT suggests. Cheers, K PS- The S10 should be in by the end of the week. Afterwards, am taking this Viewsat Ultra and will catapult it off the Champlain bridge.

2011-09-01, 08:57 AM	#39
Kraven Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Shore, QC Posts: 530	Thanks MT! I used your numbers (12053/6869/v) and picked up 72W after 10 minutes (NBC mux quality at 70%). Its not exactly aimed perfectly and the dish is still a tad loose but its a good start (initially I had 60% Quality until I moved the motor one notch to West). Since I used the motor to improve quality, does this mean the LNB had to be skewed a bit? Anywho, afterwards, I added the longitude and latitude and let USALS do the rest. Most satellites were dead on. However, since am using a viewsat ultra, the sat list wasnt complete and missing quite a few. The openbox S10 arrived yesterday and going to pick it up today. Fun times ahead! CHeers, K

2011-09-08, 11:06 AM	#40
Kraven Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Shore, QC Posts: 530	First off... Usals on the S10 blows! Being said, I now have most satellites programmed in via disq1.2. However, would anyone have strong transponders for amc16 (85w), galaxy 16 (99w), Anikf2 (111w) and Galaxy13 (127w) so I can complete the setup? Also, is it normal that I can never seem to get more then 75% quality? Cheers, K

2011-09-08, 06:41 PM	#41
HDTV Junkee Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 176	I know that you are working on C-Band, but in the event you need the Ku, Here is what I use: AMC 16 85 degrees west Ku 12035 H 3978 Galaxy 16 99 degrees west Ku Russian Media Group 11800 H 30000

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