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Old 2011-04-27, 01:12 PM   #46
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So what are they supposed to do, cap everyone at 7.5? If the pipe is smaller but 80% utilized or bigger but only 20% utilized the congestion on the backbone remains the same. Usage is usage regardless of the size of the pipe.
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Old 2011-04-27, 01:43 PM   #47
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Well, increased end user speed without upgrading the portions of your network that are congested at peak times will increase the frequency of those routers actually being congested at peak times.

Either way, as data use grows Shaw will need to upgrade it's network. The question behind the addition of UBB is: are the capital costs of upgrading their network equipment greater now than they have been in the past. I'm sure Shaw has had to upgrade their gear in the past as they transitioned from offering a 5mbps service to offering DOCSIS 3 today. Has the rate of bandwidth use increased more dramatically in recent years? Did network gear get more expensive?

I don't know specifically what equipment they buy, but I imagine the price points for their network equipment probably will stay the same or (if anything) get cheaper; while at the same time becoming much more capable at enabling more network capacity. Just like everything else in computing.

So, in my mind these sorts of speed upgrades fit with the rate of "bandwidth inflation" that the internet experiences every year. This is a good thing because it is required as users consume more data, and it isn't justification for or against UBB.
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Old 2011-04-27, 05:26 PM   #48
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Of course it is justification against UBB.

Speeds are increasing because more data is being consumed (per time unit). Shaw and other providers looking at UBB recognize this, which is why they upgrade their networks.

Yet, the caps stay the same. When do they recognize this by raising the caps?
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Old 2011-04-27, 05:55 PM   #49
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Why charge differently for different pipes then? Give us all a 100Mbit pipe for free and charge us for our usage and call it a day!
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Old 2011-04-27, 06:08 PM   #50
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Why charge differently for different pipes then? Give us all a 100Mbit pipe for free and charge us for our usage and call it a day!
I completely agree, provided the bandwidth charges are based on the cost of providing the bandwidth. So, it's not $1/GiB, not even close.
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Old 2011-04-27, 07:28 PM   #51
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Has the rate of bandwidth use increased more dramatically in recent years? Did network gear get more expensive?
Shaw said at the meeting that they have to split far more nodes now than in the past due to congestion problems during peak times.

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Usage is usage regardless of the size of the pipe.
The problem isn't the amount of data being transferred, it's the speed. If you have a pipe that can deliver 1,000 Mbps, and you have 10 users at 50 Mbps, and 30 users at 15 Mbps you're using 950 Mbps out of your 1,000. Now you bump those 30 users to 25 Mbps you're using 1,250 Mbps and have to split your node (which is what costs money, and why Shaw is justifying UBB) to reduce congestion.

So Shaw giving users more bandwidth speed is going to end up costing them (and us) more in network upgrades.
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Old 2011-04-27, 07:48 PM   #52
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ever since this new speed increase I have not been able to reach the peak speed in the evening

so it seems like it has caused some congestion in my area
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Old 2011-04-27, 11:04 PM   #53
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Just downloaded a 683 MB file from Usenet. My first test of the sort during peak time (8PM local).

Averaged just under 2000 KB/sec, peaked at 2200. Quite impressive.
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Old 2011-04-28, 07:32 AM   #54
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Folks this is not a UBB thread, Its about a new speed level so lets not get into anti-UBB rant.
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Old 2011-04-28, 12:06 PM   #55
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While I agree that this thread should be about the speed increase, UBB definitely comes into play here based on comments Shaw has made to justify their UBB implementation. Is it okay to continue discussing UBB in relation to this speed increase, but not UBB in general?
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Old 2011-04-28, 04:49 PM   #56
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Exclamation Only UBB discussions as they relate to better transfer speeds

That's correct. Only UBB discussions as they relate to Shaw's announced speed increases, not UBB discussions in general.
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Old 2011-04-28, 05:59 PM   #57
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Is there any hint of changes to the Warp package now? I rarely see the benefit of the 50 Mbps download... I'm on Warp for the upload speed and transfer cap. Now that Extreme and Warp have virtually the same upload speed I'm paying a huge premium for 75 GB more transfer each month.
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Old 2011-04-28, 09:52 PM   #58
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@adiabatic it would make sense to me that there would be other tier changes. The way we hear it at work is that the Extreme change is the first of new things to come. We should find out in around about a months time
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Old 2011-05-20, 12:55 PM   #59
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I got the computerized phone call from Shaw telling me how wonderful they are
for bumping my Internet Extreme to 25mbps. Trouble is all my speedtests show
slower speeds than before the change. My upload is higher averaging about
2.1-2.2mbps.

I'm going to start keeping a log then get ahold of Shaw with my results.

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