Improved Buffalo reception in GTA after analogue shutdown?

[goforit]

Does anyone know for sure if the CHEX repeater in Oshawa (22.0) will shut down or go digital come Aug 2011? If so, this might be good for those trying to lock up ION (RF 23.1).

[little-infinity]

SUN is already broadcasting on channel 15, though with a much lower ERP

You know what's funny? My TVFool shows CKXT's repeater to be LOS at 31.4 dB, but I never ever could get it from Mississauga. Nada, zero, not a blip. I do get faint traces of WBNF-CA on analog 15, but I didn't anticipate it to entirely kill CKXT-DT2's signal.

I assume it's just their highly directional transmitter? Anyone have any luck picking up? Not that I care really, just curious.

[ontherooftop]

Do you think then Fox should be no problem then? because
I am pointing at grand Island and get the Hamilton and
Toronto channels too, it makes zero sense that sun tv
is powered at 3kw for Toronto but then they are gonna
Have power as high as some of the strong stations from
Buffalo. Are they trying to get a US audience as well
then? I like the shows they play on fox and when they
play NFL it's in 720p with no lag like 1080i has on
sports.

[Jase88]

Little_infinity: In your case, not getting channel 15 could be the combined effects of a tightly directional contour, the Niagara escarpment, and use of a "clone" antenna. Many of the off-brand antennas sold here are designed for channels 21-69--their gain is thus low for anything below 21. Now that you're using Channel Master, you're chances might be better....

[little-infinity]

Ahh that makes alot of sense. I might have a chance if I aim for Hamilton directly, but I never tried that, and probably never need to.

I don't think I have heard anyone east of Hamilton being able to grab it either. Again not that it matters for most of us :P Just curious. Though it's somewhat odd because it's coming off the same tower as CHCH and CITS. I've had no luck seeing their analog repeater on 45 either.

Though it makes no sense really that CKXT needs a repeater on 15 so close to Toronto. Simply boosting their CN Tower output signal (which is inevitable) should be suffice to cover Toronto northward to Barrie, South to Buffalo/Niagara, West to Hamilton/Kitchener and probably even eastwards towards the Peterborough/Kawartha area.

I don't know how much impact it has on our chances at FOX RF14 (which in itself is already quite directional).

[ontherooftop]

Hey little infini, How is fox 29 in clarckson? here on dixie and Bloor
area it booms in flawless along with everything except Ion is
off and on, But my antenna is rated 14-69 CM4221HD.

[little-infinity]

Fox29 very easy to get, despite directional issues. Booming here too. CH15 isn't causing any problem for ch14, I imagine adjacent-channel poses less of a problem with digital than in analog.

Actually, almost ALL the Buffalos are booming here year-round, even the so-called troublesome WNYO I have never had a problem with.

WGRZ on the other hand, UGH.

[rob50312]

Sun 15.1 is very directional and puts almost no signal into the GTA.Analog 15 in Buffalo comes in fine since Saturday showing only station logo.Even if i point right at Hamilton 15.1 will not lock.Also their antenna is only half way up the CH tower .

[rob50312]

This repeater is very weak like 2kw.I doubt its much issue unless your right beside the tower.This is very snowy and weak in Mississauga.

[bpringlemeir]

Originally Posted by Walter Dnes

Let's see what analog UHF stations we currently have in Toronto...

According to the CRTC plan any stations above 51 will be remapped after the transition. So while the analog stations go away, I think that some digital stations will also remap. Does anyone have a link on the remapping and possibly station powers? Tvfool doesn't provide this option.

For instance, will CBLT (CBC) stay on 20 or move to 5? Global, Sun, City, Omni 1 will have to remap as they are above channel 51. Global-DT can relocate to 41 (currently Global analog), but Omni 1, City and Sun have both analog and digital stations above 51. Where are they going? Especially are stations moving from UHF to VHF?

[majortom]

Stampeder posted a post transition plan from the CRTC (?) someplace around here. Has all that information. Sure it's still around here, just have to find the correct thread.

[ota_canuck]

According to the CRTC plan any stations above 51 will be remapped after the transition.

NO! Not 'remapped', they have been reassign with new RF allotments. After the transition, any station currently broadcasting on RF freq's that are currently above 51RF will have to shut down and begin broadcasting at their newly allotted RF frequency that will be below 52RF.

Eg: city tv is now broadcasting on 57RF, they were reassigned to use to 51RF for digital broadcasting after the transition and they will use psip to 'remap their station ID' as being channel 57 on your tuner.

[bpringlemeir]

Originally Posted by ota_canuck

NO! Not 'remapped', they have been reassign with new RF allotments.

Sorry, I thought you were being pedantic, but then I tried to use 'reassign' to look for CRTC documents that might help with search tools. Still couldn't find anything.

[ota_canuck]

Remapping refers to the real CRTC/IC allotted broadcasting channel #51 being displayed by your receiving tuner as a virtual channel#57.

Example:

CityTV Channel 57 in Toronto currently uses real broadcast channel 57 for analog, after transition CityTV's channel will only be permitted to use the new assignment real broadcast channel 51, but they will use psip protocol to re-map the channel on your tuner's display to show it as still being channel 57.

Any stations currently broadcasting on real channel allotments above channel 51, have been reassigned with new post-transition real broadcast channels that will be below channel 51.

Try here. Maybe this is what you're looking for:
http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblan...a_TV_Stations/

[thenewdc]

CHEX, CKWS and CHEX-TV-2 in Oshawa are all converting to digital on the Deadline date doing a flash-cut. At my location CHEX on ch-22 comes in quite strong even though they only use a mouses fart worth of power. Ch-22 often has different programming from ch-12, and they provide a local newscast for the Oshawa area. Because of their proximity to Toronto they are in a mandatory market whereas Peterborough and Kingston are not mandatory.