2010 SuperBowl Available with US Commercials? (legally)

[rgto]

I should also say though that SD (Standard Definition) of the Super Bowl will be/has been in previous years sim-subbed on Shaw Direct. This is because I live in Ottawa and there is a CTV Ottawa station broadcast available in my area. So, I should clarify that only HD will be sim-sub free for people outside Toronto. Did you specify SD/HD when you talked to the CSR?

[CaptainCanuck]

Originally Posted by JohnnyCanuck

DSGamby's right as to previous years, Shaw did not simsub the time-shifted channels.

CTV filed a complaint with the CRTC against Shaw. Shaw was let off the hook in terms of any penalty for previous "failures" to simsub the Super Bowl on the time shifted channels but was ordered to do so in the future. Shaw agreed to comply with the order.

In other words, BDU's in Canada have been ordered to simsub time shifted channels as well. CTV's grip on this thing is complete.

Aw crap! :-L

Thanks for the info though! Didn't want to buy another setup if it wasn't going to work... **fingers crossed my OTA antennae can see KIRO in Seattle this weekend**

Thanks DSgamby, rgto, et al for your input!!

[Tom.F.1]

Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck

Aw crap! :-L

Thanks for the info though! Didn't want to buy another setup if it wasn't going to work... **fingers crossed my OTA antennae can see KIRO in Seattle this weekend**

Thanks DSgamby, rgto, et al for your input!!

If you're not familiar with OTA, go to tvfool.com, put in your address and you can get a report, with exact magnet direction to point your antenna. You can post a link to your results, in the OTA forum for your area, so we can tell you what equipment you need to DTV OTA.

[ralph_sinclair]

Any Shaw Direct customers in GVA or Calgary here? I'd think that if Shaw were forced to simsub the Superbowl (by replacing CBS E HD and CBS W HD with CTV Toronto HD for those in GVA and Calgary), they would also be forced to do the same for the NFL playoffs?

If i had to bet I'd say no HD superbowl simsub (outside of Toronto) this year on Shaw Direct, just like last year.

EDIT:
Here's a link that indicates Shaw Direct HD viewers outside of the GTA will likely be able to watch the superbowl on CBS this year:
http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/16/...up-super-bowl/

[Flummox]

OTA is the way to go if you have any option at all.

Buy and return a decent antenna if you have to. I keep meaning to mount mine on the roof but every Feb it comes out, gets bolted to a step ladder facing south in my living room and the wife lives with a coax across the floor for a day.

Benefit is also the best possible pic you are going to get. Doing A/B on OTA vs BEV last year was NO comparison. OTA was a far better pic. Best part was going OTA into the PVR so we could replay the commercials and then catch up with the game after we got tired of them.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by ralph_sinclair

Any Shaw Direct customers in GVA or Calgary here? I'd think that if Shaw were forced to simsub the Superbowl (by replacing CBS E HD and CBS W HD with CTV Toronto HD for those in GVA and Calgary), they would also be forced to do the same for the NFL playoffs?

If i had to bet I'd say no HD superbowl simsub (outside of Toronto) this year on Shaw Direct, just like last year.

EDIT:
Here's a link that indicates Shaw Direct HD viewers outside of the GTA will likely be able to watch the superbowl on CBS this year:
http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/16/...up-super-bowl/

This link is from 2009.

[rgto]

I think it will be the same for Shaw Direct this year. There haven't been any sim-subs over CBS/FOX all season for NFL, so I don't expect it to change for the playoffs.

[ralph_sinclair]

Indeed, the link is from 2009, and it addresses the comments earlier in the thread. I expect no change from last year to this year. The only thing I could see, is if somehow, CTV having OTA HD in Vancouver and Calgary allows them to simsub (the Toronto feed) there, even though Shaw Direct does not carry these feeds. But other than me speculating, I've read nothing about this.

[docted]

Here we go again. The ANNUAL FRUSTRATION.

[ptimo]

It's not like you're missing anything. The best ads are all over the internet the next day. I don't think its a huge deal anymore.
besides, what's wrong with endless canadian tire, tim horton's and rona ads?

[Jay]

Originally Posted by ralph_sinclair

Indeed, the link is from 2009, and it addresses the comments earlier in the thread. I expect no change from last year to this year. The only thing I could see, is if somehow, CTV having OTA HD in Vancouver and Calgary allows them to simsub (the Toronto feed) there, even though Shaw Direct does not carry these feeds. But other than me speculating, I've read nothing about this.

I certainly hope there is no change this year. In 2009, Videotron was carrying CTV-HD from Toronto, meaning no simsubs on any HD channels from the USA (FOX, CBS, NBC and ABC). This year, Videotron carries CTV-HD from Montreal (CFCF), but there is no OTA broadcast of CFCF-HD in Montreal, so does the CRTC simsub rule applies in this case? We will have to wait and see...

[tvlurker]

Originally Posted by Jay

I certainly hope there is no change this year. In 2009, Videotron was carrying CTV-HD from Toronto, meaning no simsubs on any HD channels from the USA (FOX, CBS, NBC and ABC). This year, Videotron carries CTV-HD from Montreal (CFCF), but there is no OTA broadcast of CFCF-HD in Montreal, so does the CRTC simsub rule applies in this case? We will have to wait and see...

The CRTC authorization to CTV to provide HD versions to cable companies without first broadcasting OTA explicitly did not allow simultaneous substitution. That decision was deferred to be considered in the context of another hearing, also held this fall.

I don't know if the simsub issue has been resolved yet. Feel free to research this further.

[rileyparrish]

So if I have Shaw Cable, and live in Edmonton, then the NBC West HD feed should NOT be simsubbed because the only CTV HD channel availible to us (at the moment) is CTV Toronto HD. However the SD feed of course would be simsubbed because there's an SD CTV affiliate here. Right?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by rileyparrish

So if I have Shaw Cable, and live in Edmonton, then the NBC West HD feed should NOT be simsubbed because the only CTV HD channel availible to us (at the moment) is CTV Toronto HD. However the SD feed of course would be simsubbed because there's an SD CTV affiliate here. Right?

Correct. If there isn't a local CTV HD, the BDU is not required to simsub. As tvlurker said, there is a dispute about what should be done when a direct feed to the BDU is provided. CTV argues that they have bought the Canadian rights and those should be protected. The CRTC says that since they are not honouring their responsibility of broadcasting OTA in HD locally (yet), they don't have all the rights of a local broadcaster.

[CaptainCanuck]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Correct. If there isn't a local CTV HD, the BDU is not required to simsub. As tvlurker said, there is a dispute about what should be done when a direct feed to the BDU is provided. CTV argues that they have bought the Canadian rights and those should be protected. The CRTC says that since they are not honouring their responsibility of broadcasting OTA in HD locally (yet), they don't have all the rights of a local broadcaster.

So what would happen in Vancouver?

Would the channel: 210 CTV BC HD (CIVT-HD) mean that SHAW in Vancouver with the HD Basic Pack WOULD sim-sub?? ... and I would have to have SHAW DIRECT to NOT get the sim-sub?

Cheers!