New Blue Ray Players HDMI1.4 with 1.3HDMI receivers - Canadian TV, Computing and Home Theatre Forums

bsdavid · 2012-08-20, 02:38 PM

I have a Yamaha RX-V663, I guess 3 years old which has 1.3 HDMI ports. I haven't yet gone to a blue ray player because of price of blue rays and not much availability for quite awhile at our local small town video rental place. But DVD player finally died so want to get a blue ray player. I was told by a FS home theatre guy that if my receiver was 1.3HDMI, I couldn't run HDMI to my receiver because all the blue ray players are 1.4 HDMI...even the non-3D models. (No, I do not have nor want a 3D tv). The only way I could make it work is to run my blue ray HDMI directly to the tv for video and an optical cable to the receiver for sound. I really do NOT want to have to do that for a few reasons but I can't believe 1.4HDMI blue ray players are not backwards comptable with receivers with 1.3. Walked next door to BB, really young guy and didn't seem overly knowledgeable and didn't think it would be a problem. Called 2001 where I got the receiver and guy had no idea but didn't think it would be a problem...but the FS guy seemed pretty sure of myself.

I suppose I can probably find an older model Blueray on ebay or something that has a 1.3 hdmi so it would work, but obviously not ideal. I was looking at a Sony 480 but I'm not fussy...it was just a good deal on a unit that got a pretty decent rating.

Can someone clarify this for me....is the FS guy out to lunch?

eljay · 2012-08-20, 02:41 PM

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Can someone clarify this for me....is the FS guy out to lunch?

Short answer: Yes.

From HDMI.org:

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Are HDMI 1.4 devices going to be backwards-compatible with older HDMI (v.1.0 - 1.3) devices?
Yes, devices built to the HDMI 1.4 specification will be fully backwards-compatible with existing HDMI devices and their features.

Oh, and it's "Blu-ray".

faston · 2012-08-20, 04:42 PM

As far as I know, 1.4 is only required for 3D.

reidw · 2012-08-20, 04:45 PM

You may lose some of the newer HDMI features with your setup (e.g. HDMI Control, ARC etc.) but the picture and audio (both lossless formats) should work fine. I think the guy was just trying to upsell you to a new receiver. He may be doing this on his own or it may be store policy. In either case I would politely complain to the store manager and if necessary to the head office.

bsdavid · 2012-08-20, 05:26 PM

Thanks guys. It just didn't make sense to me...the player I want to buy just happens to be a 3D Sony bdp-s480...decent reviews and good clearance price. Other non-3D models are also 1.4...I thought 1.4 was just for the 3D but I guess it does a couple of other things.

Thing is, the guy did nothing at all about trying to sell me a new AV receiver...I just got finished buying a new TV from him for my mother-in-law and he was saying that if my AV receiver was only 3 years old it is likely 1.4hdmi anyhow but if not I had a problem..if it was an upsell, it was a pretty low key one. He didn't try to push extended warranty on me...he asked, I said no, he moved on. And he didn't try to sell me pricey cables.

bsdavid · 2012-08-20, 05:30 PM

BTW, I checked out your set up photos...green with envy...except for the cat pics...we're a dog family.

eljay · 2012-08-20, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bsdavid

BTW, I checked out your set up photos...green with envy ...

Thanks!

Quote:

... except for the cat pics...we're a dog family.

Well, nobody's perfect...

Kidding!

reidw · 2012-08-20, 08:57 PM

@bsdavid: Then I guess the guy is just misinformed. What can you do?

cooper83 · 2012-08-20, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by reidw

@bsdavid: Then I guess the guy is just misinformed. What can you do?

See post #4

reidw · 2012-08-20, 10:20 PM

@coop: Ya got me on that one!

tony77 · 2012-08-30, 09:40 PM

You guys want to report him and ruin him? why?
Forgive.....This world is full of hostility already!
A friendly talk is best

roger1818 · 2012-08-31, 11:54 AM

In my experience, sales people almost never believe customers unless proof is provided (even then they will stick to their beliefs). A talk to a manager need not ruin him, but may serve to educate him (he will believe his manager before he believes a customer).

David Susilo · 2012-09-30, 08:48 AM

@bsdavid:

is your TV 3D capable? are you going to use 3D movies?

in my personal experience with Pioneer BDP-53FD, Panasonic BDT-500, Sony BDP-S790 (US model), I still can use my HDMI 1.3 receiver as a switcher as long as I disable the 3D option on the blu-ray player's setup and also disable HDMI CEC.

PS: HDMI 1.4 literally covers HDMI 1.2, 1.3, and newer standards. HDMI 1.4 have too many variants such as 1.4 (only) -- which is equivalent to HDMI 1.2; 1.4 High Speed/3D (equivalent to 1.3 High Speed -- in fact you can use HDMI 1.3 High Speed cable to pass 3D signal with no problem), 1.4 with ARC, 1.4 with Ethernet.

2012-08-20, 02:38 PM	#1
bsdavid Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12	New Blue Ray Players HDMI1.4 with 1.3HDMI receivers I have a Yamaha RX-V663, I guess 3 years old which has 1.3 HDMI ports. I haven't yet gone to a blue ray player because of price of blue rays and not much availability for quite awhile at our local small town video rental place. But DVD player finally died so want to get a blue ray player. I was told by a FS home theatre guy that if my receiver was 1.3HDMI, I couldn't run HDMI to my receiver because all the blue ray players are 1.4 HDMI...even the non-3D models. (No, I do not have nor want a 3D tv). The only way I could make it work is to run my blue ray HDMI directly to the tv for video and an optical cable to the receiver for sound. I really do NOT want to have to do that for a few reasons but I can't believe 1.4HDMI blue ray players are not backwards comptable with receivers with 1.3. Walked next door to BB, really young guy and didn't seem overly knowledgeable and didn't think it would be a problem. Called 2001 where I got the receiver and guy had no idea but didn't think it would be a problem...but the FS guy seemed pretty sure of myself. I suppose I can probably find an older model Blueray on ebay or something that has a 1.3 hdmi so it would work, but obviously not ideal. I was looking at a Sony 480 but I'm not fussy...it was just a good deal on a unit that got a pretty decent rating. Can someone clarify this for me....is the FS guy out to lunch?

2012-08-20, 05:26 PM	#5
bsdavid Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12	Thanks for the help! Thanks guys. It just didn't make sense to me...the player I want to buy just happens to be a 3D Sony bdp-s480...decent reviews and good clearance price. Other non-3D models are also 1.4...I thought 1.4 was just for the 3D but I guess it does a couple of other things. Thing is, the guy did nothing at all about trying to sell me a new AV receiver...I just got finished buying a new TV from him for my mother-in-law and he was saying that if my AV receiver was only 3 years old it is likely 1.4hdmi anyhow but if not I had a problem..if it was an upsell, it was a pretty low key one. He didn't try to push extended warranty on me...he asked, I said no, he moved on. And he didn't try to sell me pricey cables.

2012-08-20, 05:30 PM	#6
bsdavid Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12	eljay's set up BTW, I checked out your set up photos...green with envy...except for the cat pics...we're a dog family.

2012-08-30, 09:40 PM	#11
tony77 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vancouver Posts: 12	Take it easy You guys want to report him and ruin him? why? Forgive.....This world is full of hostility already! A friendly talk is best

2012-08-31, 11:54 AM	#12
roger1818 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ottawa (Stittsville), ON, OTA (Radio Shack Omnidirectional Antenna and 5Y6S in Attic), MythTV HTPC Posts: 5,616	In my experience, sales people almost never believe customers unless proof is provided (even then they will stick to their beliefs). A talk to a manager need not ruin him, but may serve to educate him (he will believe his manager before he believes a customer). __________________ Link to my TVFool results is in my profile Homepage URL. I suggest others do the same.

2012-08-20, 04:42 PM	#3
faston Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,541	As far as I know, 1.4 is only required for 3D.

2012-08-20, 04:45 PM	#4
reidw Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Stratford, PE. Posts: 2,466	You may lose some of the newer HDMI features with your setup (e.g. HDMI Control, ARC etc.) but the picture and audio (both lossless formats) should work fine. I think the guy was just trying to upsell you to a new receiver. He may be doing this on his own or it may be store policy. In either case I would politely complain to the store manager and if necessary to the head office.

2012-08-20, 08:57 PM	#8
reidw Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Stratford, PE. Posts: 2,466	@bsdavid: Then I guess the guy is just misinformed. What can you do?

2012-08-20, 10:20 PM	#10
reidw Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Stratford, PE. Posts: 2,466	@coop: Ya got me on that one!

2012-09-30, 08:48 AM	#13
David Susilo Veteran Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: in my home theatre Posts: 3,410	@bsdavid: is your TV 3D capable? are you going to use 3D movies? in my personal experience with Pioneer BDP-53FD, Panasonic BDT-500, Sony BDP-S790 (US model), I still can use my HDMI 1.3 receiver as a switcher as long as I disable the 3D option on the blu-ray player's setup and also disable HDMI CEC. PS: HDMI 1.4 literally covers HDMI 1.2, 1.3, and newer standards. HDMI 1.4 have too many variants such as 1.4 (only) -- which is equivalent to HDMI 1.2; 1.4 High Speed/3D (equivalent to 1.3 High Speed -- in fact you can use HDMI 1.3 High Speed cable to pass 3D signal with no problem), 1.4 with ARC, 1.4 with Ethernet. __________________ THX, ISF, Control4 Certified Professional; CEDIA Trainer

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